Restart counts? (FED)

[Judtech]

IMO, picking up the count where it left off after a TO is a big can of worms. Let's say the count was 7. Do we start 7 8 9 10? Or do we start 8 9 10? We will have to inform coaches which is always 'fun', considering it can be a hassle to see if they want a 'full or 30". To me it just adds another layer of 'bureacracy" (even if it is misspelled!)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Judtech

IMO, picking up the count where it left off after a TO is a big can of worms. Let's say the count was 7. Do we start 7 8 9 10? Or do we start 8 9 10? We will have to inform coaches which is always 'fun', considering it can be a hassle to see if they want a 'full or 30". To me it just adds another layer of 'bureacracy" (even if it is misspelled!)

Maybe we should start counting backwards.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Maybe we should start counting backwards.

do you not already?

[Zoochy]

I only count backwards for the last 10 seconds of each quarter.

[doubleringer]

Instead of worrying about back court counts, how about a shot clock instead? I really like the lack of a back court count and the shot clock in the college women's game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Instead of worrying about back court counts, how about a shot clock instead? I really like the lack of a back court count and the shot clock in the college women's game.

Now what do you think the odds are that CMB will want to spend the money on a shot clock set up?

[doubleringer]

With their rich alumni? I'd say it would be easy to get the funds. The 4A girls coaches across the state were talking about using a shot clock experimentally, but it never came to be unfortunately.

[bainsey]

The whole idea of picking up a count where we left off goes against the simple concepts of team control and a dead ball.

A backcourt count starts when there's team control in the backcourt. It doesn't start during a throw-in (no control), and control ends when the ball is dead.

Once that ball is dead, whatever happened prior to that point is irrelevant. We start fresh. We don't care whether a team crossed the division line before the dead ball. That ball is dead. And from there, we start over, so you can toss that throw-in anywhere you want in-bounds. If it's controlled in the backcourt, then there it is. Start counting.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The whole idea of picking up a count where we left off goes against the simple concepts of team control and a dead ball.

A backcourt count starts when there's team control in the backcourt. It doesn't start during a throw-in (no control), and control ends when the ball is dead.

Once that ball is dead, whatever happened prior to that point is irrelevant. We start fresh. We don't care whether a team crossed the division line before the dead ball. That ball is dead. And from there, we start over, so you can toss that throw-in anywhere you want in-bounds. If it's controlled in the backcourt, then there it is. Start counting.

Concepts can have exceptions. We already have a major one to that concept with the shot clock. The 10-second backcourt count isn't some sort of sacred cow. You don't even have one in games played under NCAA-W rules. It's not like asking to raise the basket to 11'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Concepts can have exceptions. We already a major one to that concept with the shot clock. The 10-second backcourt count isn't some sort of sacred cow. You don't even have one in games played under NCAA-W rules. It's not like asking to raise the basket to 11'.

Sure they have exceptions, but if we go to that, would we then not allow a front court throwin to be thrown into the BC? Again, I see this as the proverbial solution in search of a problem.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure they have exceptions, but if we go to that, would we then not allow a front court throwin to be thrown into the BC?...

I don't think the 2 have to be intertwined. Apples and oranges IMO.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

...Again, I see this as the proverbial solution in search of a problem.

I think you could find ample enough folks who think it is a problem for a team to get 10 additional seconds to cross midcourt just because they called a time-out.