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[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I'm sorry, what did he do? I didn't notice -- I happened to be checking #34 for jewelry at that moment. I'll be sure to tell him to stay away from the rim.

Chuck

"How can you call a T on us for dunking in warmups,Ref?The guy that we had last game warned us first!"

Were you serious,Chuck?It's no problem if everyone in your association has the "blind eye".It is a problem if it's being called differently,game-to-game,by different officials.Nobody then knows what to expect on any given night.JMO

[AK ref SE]

JR-
"Geez ref last game I was not called for a player control foul, the defender was called for a block."

We are all individuals, we all have the same rules...but we do not all have the same judgement or interpretation of the rules.....I am not saying I agree with Chuck....But each one of us is an individual and each situation is unique...no matter how common something may appear....It is not going to be called the same by everyone.... Just look at the jump stop or the attempted jump stop!

AK ref SE

[Jurassic Referee]

Alaska,there's no judgement or interpretation involved in calling pre-game dunks.You either call it or you don't call it.Consistency is the problem,not judgement.The point that I was trying to make was that teams have to know what to expect.If half of your officials call a certain type of jump stop legal,and the other half call it a violation-the player using that jump stop won't have a clue as to what they can do or not do.Neither will their coach-or the other coach.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
How can you call a T on us for dunking in warmups,Ref?The guy that we had last game warned us first!"

That's a valid point, and as someone else mentioned, if there was a "bring the house down" dunk that simply could not be ignored, then I would probably call the T. But generally speaking, I really am more concerned with uniforms, jewelry, etc than looking at the rim during warmups. My earlier comment was half-joking; but only half. If a kid dunks and I don't see it, nothing happens. If a kid comes out for the jump ball with his chain and illegal t-shirt, then the game is delayed.

Chuck

[Jay R]

Excuse my ignorance, but why is #8 an illegal number?
I referee FIBA rules and #8 is legal.

[Mregor]

Originally posted by Jay R
Excuse my ignorance, but why is #8 an illegal number?
I referee FIBA rules and #8 is legal.

Any number that you can't make with one hand is illegal in NFHS (that would be a '5' for most of the population). 0 and 00 are also legal, however, you can only have one or the other.

Mregor

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Mregor
0 and 00 are also legal, however, you can only have one or the other.

I know this is a recent rule change, but I just don't follow the logic in this. For example, why then can you have both 1 and 11, 2 and 22, 3 and 33, 4 and 44, and 5 and 55 on the same team?
Is it somehow more confusing to the poor officials to have both zero and double zero?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
I know this is a recent rule change, but I just don't follow the logic in this. Is it somehow more confusing to the poor officials to have both zero and double zero?

No, it's confusing to the poor computers that keep the stats. To a computer 1 and 11 are different numbers, but 0 and 00 are the same number (they're both just zero).

Chuck

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Mregor
Any number that you can't make with one hand is illegal in NFHS (that would be a '5' for most of the population).

There was a big league pitcher (for the Dodgers maybe?) recently who had 6 fingers on his pitching hand. Gave his pitches wierd movement. Then there's Mordecai "Three Fingers" Brown. Then there's anybody who chops down their Christmas tree immediately after the office Christmas party. . .

As the father of a 7-year old, I've seen Monsters, Inc. several times. And one of the LOL moments the first time I watched it was when an off-stage crew hand holds up one hand with all his fingers extended and says, "Ok, we're on in 7. . .6. . ." It was just a great visual gag. Very funny. If he reffed, the teams could use numbers up to 77!

Chuck

[Nevadaref]

Great explanation Chuck! I never thought of that.
Funny, though, that they figured it would be easier to change the rule than to change the programming in the stat computers.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
I guess that I just regard all T's on player to be a result of bad judgment by players. Players who routinely exercise bad judgment are a reflection of a lack of team discipline and will get more Ts. But most cases of bad player discipline do not result in a coach being seatbelted.

The pregame dunk can be a one-time action, the coach has no opportunity to correct it that day, and he is already seatbelted. If a player acts up on the bench, it is not an automatic T and the head coach has the ability to correct it (like saying shut up - I'll deal with the ref!). In the dunking case, the coach could tell the player he is benched for the night 1 second after he dunks, but with that one dunk the coach is already seatbelted for the night.

I understand the bench personnel thing - but the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime, IMO.

Sure it does. The coach is responsible for his players before the game begins as well as after the game starts. The coach should be telling the players not to dunk. If they do and he's seat-belted, I bet it doesn't happen again. Besides, a coach can perform his/her duties just as well sitting as strolling.

Z

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Mregor

Any number that you can't make with one hand is illegal in NFHS (that would be a '5' for most of the population). 0 and 00 are also legal, however, you can only have one or the other.

Mregor

I sure hope we never have a four-fingered ref for my college team - some of our best players (men's and women's) have the digit five somewhere in their number.

And, while we're on the topic of people with a "different" number of fingers - My name is Intingo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
I sure hope we never have a four-fingered ref for my college team - some of our best players (men's and women's) have the digit five somewhere in their number.

Seems to me, you should be wanting four-fingered refs. They could never report a foul on the players with 5's in their numbers!!

My name is Intingo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!

Stop saying that!!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Seems to me, you should be wanting four-fingered refs. They could never report a foul on the players with 5's in their numbers!!

Yes, but someone had posted that any number that couldn't be flashed by hand was illegal. It's really not fun to start a game with a bunch of technical fouls.

[Jeremy Hohn]

Today I was working a tournament here in Tx that had a team from Mexico playing and they had some illegal numbers like 9, 6, 19, etc.... but I guess they play by FIBA rules down there, correct?