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DownTownTonyBrown Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:48am

I did answer True for #99. How about #94; did you give Alice a "T" for tights and then let her play?

Rule 4-5-5 How is it that tights below the pants are dangerous or confusing?

BktBallRef Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:03pm

No, Alice can't buy her way into the game with a T. She can't play with the tights. It's not dangerous or confusing but it is inappropriate.

4-5-5
An undergarment or tights which extend below the pants/skirt.

Only violations of 4-4-4 allow a player to get a T and play.

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:14pm

Humor
 
Sorry my humor wasn't obvious. My wife also officiates and likes to give "T's" for

Tantrums
Taunting
Totally sucks
Terrible

and any other stupid comment that starts with a "T"

Smiling at the dumb-dumb she says, "And here is a T for Totally."

I didn't let Alice and her tights play either.

hawkk Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:56pm

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Question from a few years back. Can the home team jersy be light blue? [/B][/QUOTE]

They were at my HS . . . we did actually run into an issue at one scrimmage -- the visitors had a blue that was darker than ours but lighter than our visiting dark blue jerseys. Opposing coach did not like our shirts . . .

rainmaker Wed Dec 11, 2002 03:00pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
We had discussion about this one too. If he backs OUT of the lane space, he has violated.

How about #99?

It is a violation if, in A's FC, A1 passes to A2 but A2 fumbles the ball into A's BC where it remains untouched for 10 seconds.

Ture or False?

I got it right, but spent about 10 minutes on it trying to figure out where the heck I would ever need to know this. Of all the stupid questions, this one gets the trophy in my book!!!

jbduke Wed Dec 11, 2002 03:22pm

Rainmaker,

I absolutely agree with your sentiment on this question. What's the point? I've heard of a couple of this type of question being put on organic chemistry tests to differentiate the psycho- from the super-psycho-pre-meds; but in that context, it actually matters how many people get A's. In this case, not so much...or so much?

jb

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Dec 11, 2002 03:32pm

How right you are. When was the last time a live ball was just left alone, lying there for 10 seconds...?

After half a second everyone in the facility is screaming for the players to get the ball.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 11, 2002 05:33pm

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Originally posted by jbduke
[BI absolutely agree with your sentiment on this question. What's the point? I've heard of a couple of this type of question being put on organic chemistry tests to differentiate the psycho- from the super-psycho-pre-meds; but in that context, it actually matters how many people get A's. In this case, not so much...or so much?[/B]
Picture a bunch of old,old people sitting around a table.Imagine the one at the head of the table saying "We haven't got any questions on this exam yet that will really,really pi$$ off all the officials that gotta take it.Anybody got any ideas?".One pointy-headed little dude from Ohio(yoo-hoo Larksy)jumps up and says "I know,I know! Let's put that question on again about the ball going into the backcourt and the ten second call".They all then get up and dance on top of the table.

Get the idea?


hawkk Wed Dec 11, 2002 06:56pm

I hate to defend test drafters, but I will. As a former teacher, I can tell you it is difficult to draft clean questions -- questions with clean answers that test the info one is trying to test.

The intent, I think, of the screwball questions is not that the situations will arise, but that they test the underlying rules. In theory, someone that can parse through the screwy scenario understands the underlying rules. Theory and practice, however, are often different, and, as frequently happens, the screwy questions often test test-taking skills as much as knowledge . . ..

BktBallRef Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:28am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
We had discussion about this one too. If he backs OUT of the lane space, he has violated.

How about #99?

It is a violation if, in A's FC, A1 passes to A2 but A2 fumbles the ball into A's BC where it remains untouched for 10 seconds.

Ture or False?

I got it right, but spent about 10 minutes on it trying to figure out where the heck I would ever need to know this. Of all the stupid questions, this one gets the trophy in my book!!!

I don't know! How many times have you seen simultaneous goaltending violations? :confused:

Hawkk, all you have to do to write a question is take a rule and either, leave it alone making it true, or change a few words making it false.

Mark Dexter Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:58am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
True-about every 10 years they put that mutha on.
So, Jurassic, how many times has that been on a test of yours? :D

Mark Dexter Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:59am

Quote:

Originally posted by jbduke
Rainmaker,

I absolutely agree with your sentiment on this question. What's the point? I've heard of a couple of this type of question being put on organic chemistry tests to differentiate the psycho- from the super-psycho-pre-meds; but in that context, it actually matters how many people get A's. In this case, not so much...or so much?

jb

Oh, no.

These rules questions are much easier than organic chemistry questions.

That said, it's sad that I need to come read this board to help keep my sanity!

BktBallRef Thu Dec 12, 2002 01:19am

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
True-about every 10 years they put that mutha on.
So, Jurassic, how many times has that been on a test of yours? :D

I believe Jurassic has seen that question 14 times.

AND IT'S ON THE TEST EVERY 7 OR 8 YEARS!! :D

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 12, 2002 02:51am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
True-about every 10 years they put that mutha on.
So, Jurassic, how many times has that been on a test of yours? :D

I believe Jurassic has seen that question 14 times.

AND IT'S ON THE TEST EVERY 7 OR 8 YEARS!! :D

http://www.gifs.net/animate/bmoon.gif to both of you! :D

Nevadaref Thu Dec 12, 2002 03:30am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

I don't know! How many times have you seen simultaneous goaltending violations? :confused:

Strangely, the penalty section for this double violation does not say anything about whether the points are scored or not. 9-11+12-Penalty #4

I know that the rule on a free throw does state that no point can be scored on a double violation, but if this happens during regular play not on a free throw.....?

The best one may do here is infer from one rule to the other. There is no objective rationale why the baskets should be good or not!


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