#39. A free throw by A1 ends when the ball is in flight and A2 backs straight out of his/her marked lane space.

For me this seemed obviously True. However I overheard some veteran comments about lane spaces being as deep as the crap going on in the integrity thread discussion.... well as deep as the player wanted. And that the aswer should be False.

I still think true is the correct answer. Referencing rules 1-5-2 and 9-1-9 lane spaces are 36 inches deep. If you leave your lane space before the ball hits the rim you have violated. If you are on the offensive/shooting team, dead ball, no shot.

What does anyone else think?

[Edited by DownTownTonyBrown on Dec 10th, 2002 at 03:08 PM]

I guess my answer would be false! You can back out only 3 feet. you can not back out all the way to the OOB line.
Just my thought!

AK ref SE

True
 

DTTB,

The answer is true. They cannot leave the space until the restrictions end. There is a casebook play that covers this. Or at the very least it used to. I will get back to you on this.

Peace

from what you said, I think you mean true, right..

OOOPPPSSSS-
Yes that is correct...TRUE...Read it right....reversed it in my mind....

AK ref SE

Test method
 

Those NFHS test have a way of muddling a man's mind.

DownTownTonyBrown-

What Test? I forgot! True, No False...I mean! Yes, No, Well Maybe

AK ref SE

What. . . is your favorite color?

Green, no wait, blue!!! AAAAAaaaaaaauuuuuuuuggghhhhh!

So,if you answered "True",then that would be false-and if you answered "False",that would then be true?

I think I got it now!

We had discussion about this one too. If he backs OUT of the lane space, he has violated.

How about #99?

It is a violation if, in A's FC, A1 passes to A2 but A2 fumbles the ball into A's BC where it remains untouched for 10 seconds.

Ture or False?

True-about every 10 years they put that mutha on.

So far, I've only found two people who answered True, myself and my crew chief. Everyone else here seems to have missed it.

A better question might be "what visual count should you start when the ball goes into Team A's backcourt off of a Team A player after Team A had possession in their frontcourt?".That might make a few heads explode.

Btw,anyone that tells me that they've started a visual 10 second count in this circumstance is lying like a rug!:D

Notice that that question tells you that the player left the marked lane space. It says he backed OUT of it. So it is a violation, the ball is immediately dead, and since a free throw ends when the ball becomes dead, A1's free throw has ended.

Question from a few years back. Can the home team jersy be light blue?

I did answer True for #99. How about #94; did you give Alice a "T" for tights and then let her play?

Rule 4-5-5 How is it that tights below the pants are dangerous or confusing?

No, Alice can't buy her way into the game with a T. She can't play with the tights. It's not dangerous or confusing but it is inappropriate.

4-5-5
An undergarment or tights which extend below the pants/skirt.

Only violations of 4-4-4 allow a player to get a T and play.

Humor
 

Sorry my humor wasn't obvious. My wife also officiates and likes to give "T's" for

Tantrums
Taunting
Totally sucks
Terrible

and any other stupid comment that starts with a "T"

Smiling at the dumb-dumb she says, "And here is a T for Totally."

I didn't let Alice and her tights play either.

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Question from a few years back. Can the home team jersy be light blue? [/B][/QUOTE]

They were at my HS . . . we did actually run into an issue at one scrimmage -- the visitors had a blue that was darker than ours but lighter than our visiting dark blue jerseys. Opposing coach did not like our shirts . . .

I got it right, but spent about 10 minutes on it trying to figure out where the heck I would ever need to know this. Of all the stupid questions, this one gets the trophy in my book!!!

Rainmaker,

I absolutely agree with your sentiment on this question. What's the point? I've heard of a couple of this type of question being put on organic chemistry tests to differentiate the psycho- from the super-psycho-pre-meds; but in that context, it actually matters how many people get A's. In this case, not so much...or so much?

jb

How right you are. When was the last time a live ball was just left alone, lying there for 10 seconds...?

After half a second everyone in the facility is screaming for the players to get the ball.

Picture a bunch of old,old people sitting around a table.Imagine the one at the head of the table saying "We haven't got any questions on this exam yet that will really,really pi$$ off all the officials that gotta take it.Anybody got any ideas?".One pointy-headed little dude from Ohio(yoo-hoo Larksy)jumps up and says "I know,I know! Let's put that question on again about the ball going into the backcourt and the ten second call".They all then get up and dance on top of the table.

Get the idea?

I hate to defend test drafters, but I will. As a former teacher, I can tell you it is difficult to draft clean questions -- questions with clean answers that test the info one is trying to test.

The intent, I think, of the screwball questions is not that the situations will arise, but that they test the underlying rules. In theory, someone that can parse through the screwy scenario understands the underlying rules. Theory and practice, however, are often different, and, as frequently happens, the screwy questions often test test-taking skills as much as knowledge . . ..

I don't know! How many times have you seen simultaneous goaltending violations? :confused:

Hawkk, all you have to do to write a question is take a rule and either, leave it alone making it true, or change a few words making it false.

So, Jurassic, how many times has that been on a test of yours? :D

Oh, no.

These rules questions are much easier than organic chemistry questions.

That said, it's sad that I need to come read this board to help keep my sanity!

I believe Jurassic has seen that question 14 times.

AND IT'S ON THE TEST EVERY 7 OR 8 YEARS!! :D

http://www.gifs.net/animate/bmoon.gif to both of you! :D

Strangely, the penalty section for this double violation does not say anything about whether the points are scored or not. 9-11+12-Penalty #4

I know that the rule on a free throw does state that no point can be scored on a double violation, but if this happens during regular play not on a free throw.....?

The best one may do here is infer from one rule to the other. There is no objective rationale why the baskets should be good or not!

In theory, theory and practice are the same.

In practice, they aren't. ;)

About the question (ball left lying in backcourt for 10 seconds) -- while that specific play won't happen, you do need to know that the 10-second count starts.

B could be the last-to-touch, A could take 2 seconds to recover; B could press for 8 seconds ===> violation.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by rainmaker
[B]No, not really. That tests whether you have memorized the rule and can recognize it. A good test question should test whether you UNDERSTAND the rule, not whether you can REPEAT the rule. That also means identifying situations where the rule does or does not apply -- like the question here which requires the test taker to recognize that another rule -- not just the obvious over and back -- has come into play.