Another suggested FED rule change

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

chseagle, a scoreboard operator is only has to pay attention to an official's whistle and when an officials chops the clock and push a button accordingly.

A shot clock operator has to understand the nuances of when to reset, when to hold, when to do nothing. A shot clock operator has to be totally engaged into the game AND know the rules specific to shot clock administration.

IF all the scoreboard operator has to do is watch the floor officials, then who do coaches yell at when there's a score or foul discrepancy?

It's always the scoreboard that gets yelled at by the coaches, not the scorebooks, so there's more to it then you are thinking there is.

During the JUCO Tournament, at times, the scoreboard operator was assisting the scorer with the identifying of who scored.

So the scoreboard operator has to be paying attention to both the action on the court as well as be in constant communication with the official scorebook throughout the game. To some it may be easy to do scoreboard, however it's not as easy as it seems to be, especially when dealing with other table personnel that are either not well versed in their roles or care more about supporting their team than assisting with game management.

I've been on both ends of the spectrum, a table crew & floor crew that works well together as well as the exact opposite.

I've been on setups where one or two of the table work well with the floor officials, yet the other table personnel either don't care or have no clue. On some of those games, table personnel were replaced at halftime, if not sooner.

I've seen games where every other time down the court, the game has to be stopped due to an error/issue, as well as seen games where not once have the floor officials had to approach the table due to scoring/timing issues.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

IF all the scoreboard operator has to do is watch the floor officials, then who do coaches yell at when there's a score or foul discrepancy?

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They don't get to yell at anyone. And it's the scorer's responsibility to ensure the timer is keeping the correct score on the scoreboard.

I've done them all chseagle in my lifetime. Without a doubt operating the shot clock was the most taxing job.

With all the different scenarios you have described where there have been problems with the table how do now expect these same people to also be able to do a shot clock properly?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

With all the different scenarios you have described where there have been problems with the table how do now expect these same people to also be able to do a shot clock properly?

By complying with Appendix 4.0 in the 2009-2011 Officials' Manual

Knowing the rules, duties, & responsibilities to the position in which they are doing & complying with all the above.

Not doing Varsity level contests until they have had so many sub-Varsity games experience.

Be committed in doing that position game in/game out.

Anything else missing?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

By complying with Appendix 4.0 in the 2009-2011 Officials' Manual

Knowing the rules, duties, & responsibilities to the position in which they are doing & complying with all the above.

Not doing Varsity level contests until they have had so many sub-Varsity games experience.

Be committed in doing that position game in/game out.

Anything else missing?

One more thing...

Be committed to truth, justice and The American Way™!

[Adam]

How in the world did I miss out on all the discussion about changes to the table rules? I feel so left out.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They don't get to yell at anyone. And it's the scorer's responsibility to ensure the timer is keeping the correct score on the scoreboard.

Not always is the scorer keeping the scorebook up to date, in which case new personnel should be found to be the scorer.

As I have said before, if the only official information on the scoreboard is the time remaining, then what gives coaches the right/privilege to complain about the information on the scoreboard?

Some scoreboards have the same capabilities of the scorebook by keeping track of the active players & player point & foul totals, so that information is not considered official? If that information is not official then why do coaches yell about errors in that information?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Not always is the scorer keeping the scorebook up to date, in which case new personnel should be found to be the scorer.

As I have said before, if the only official information on the scoreboard is the time remaining, then what gives coaches the right/privilege to complain about the information on the scoreboard?

Some scoreboards have the same capabilities of the scorebook by keeping track of the active players & player point & foul totals, so that information is not considered official? If that information is not official then why do coaches yell about errors in that information?

2 ways to prevent that.

1) Make sure the timer is posting the score in a timely fashion.

2) Inform the official(s) if/when you are getting too much chatter from the coaches.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

2 ways to prevent that.

1) Make sure the timer is posting the score in a timely fashion.

2) Inform the official(s) if/when you are getting too much chatter from the coaches.

LMAO The only times I've used a scoreboard so far that has individual player stats on it has been the JUCO Tournament & 3A/4A Regionals.

The regular scoreboard I am used to only copies player fouls if they get inputted. Otherwise, just have to press score+1 (+2 or +3), no need to input individual player info.

I always post the points as they happen, unless of course ruling on the court disallows the points.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Not always is the scorer keeping the scorebook up to date, in which case new personnel should be found to be the scorer.

As I have said before, if the only official information on the scoreboard is the time remaining, then what gives coaches the right/privilege to complain about the information on the scoreboard?

Some scoreboards have the same capabilities of the scorebook by keeping track of the active players & player point & foul totals, so that information is not considered official? If that information is not official then why do coaches yell about errors in that information?

Good grief, we're not giving you our opinions, we're telling you the rule. It's the only official information up there. Just because you post the number of timeouts remaining doesn't make the information official. If we think the scorebook is wrong, can we use your lights to help us? Sure, but the book is still the official score. It would be the official time, too, if there was a way to do it.

To answer your question, they yell because they see it and they think it's official. They also think it's illegal to dribble high and catch your own air ball, that doesn't mean they're right.

And coaches don't yell at the table in my games.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief, we're not giving you our opinions, we're telling you the rule. It's the only official information up there. Just because you post the number of timeouts remaining doesn't make the information official. If we think the scorebook is wrong, can we use your lights to help us? Sure, but the book is still the official score. It would be the official time, too, if there was a way to do it.

To answer your question, they yell because they see it and they think it's official. They also think it's illegal to dribble high and catch your own air ball, that doesn't mean they're right.

And coaches don't yell at the table in my games.

Technically, the scorer can be the timer.

Get the scorer a couple of stopwatches (one for game clock, another as a TO/Intermission timer).

[APG]

I love how a thread about suggested NFHS rule changes is being dominated by all things, scoreboard operating....

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I love how a thread about suggested NFHS rule changes is being dominated by all things, scoreboard operating....

The scoreboard is just a formality to keep fans knowing about the game. In all reality it is not needed.