Another suggested FED rule change

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's one to consider and it would really change the game. Give teams in the bonus the option, when fouled, to shoot the free throws or just take a throw-in. This would stop all that ridiculous fouling by trailing teams at the end of a game. A minor point - it would also take away our need to decide if a foul in that situation was a "normal" foul or intentional, which can be a real pain.

Actually I don't think it would take away the intentional decision. For example, what if a team fouls a player close to the endline because it has a better chance of intercepting the throw-in from there, as opposed to the sideline? And what if that player is well away from the ball? Couldn't that still be ruled an intentional?

Also, I do agree with tref - how do we handle the administration of the decision? What if they don't tell us right away? Do we start the 20-second clock? Do they get to use the time for discussion with their players, like they do for player disqualifications? What if they don't tell us? Do we get to choose? Is it a T? Do you use this choice only in the last minute? Two minutes? 5 minutes? All fouls after the 10th?

While I think the idea in theory has some merit, writing the specifics and the administration would be a problem..

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

For example, what if a team fouls a player close to the endline because it has a better chance of intercepting the throw-in from there, as opposed to the sideline?

I don't know of any situation I've ever been in where a player would actually wait to foul until the opponent got to a certain spot on the floor. That may be overthinking.

I've heard the coach yell FOUL, FOUL......and the players don't even do/listen to that, let alone doing it purposely on the endline or in the corner.

JMO

[bainsey]

I wonder if Mark's rule change would have the desire effect. That is, would it be a deterrent to fouling at the end of the game?

Let's say the rule is in place. A-1 fouls B-2. Team B opts for the throw-in, so Team A goes for steal on the throw-in, while the clock is stopped.

And fouls.

And does it again.

And again.

I don't see a deterrent here.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I don't know of any situation I've ever been in where a player would actually wait to foul until the opponent got to a certain spot on the floor. That may be overthinking.

I've heard the coach yell FOUL, FOUL......and the players don't even do/listen to that, let alone doing it purposely on the endline or in the corner.

JMO

Perhaps, but there's never been the choice before. And I'm sure teams have different defenses based on the location of the throw-in. So I don't think it's too big a stretch to think the teams that are a little better coached might want the ball inbounded in a favorable spot.

My bigger concerns would in the administration.

[Rich]

A solution in search of a problem. I have no problem with the end of game fouling and really don't understand why so many people seem to.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I have no problem with the end of game fouling and really don't understand why so many people seem to.

Because that's when kids get hurt.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Because that's when kids get hurt.

Players can and will get hurt no matter what. I don't see end of game fouling situations as any more dangerous than any other time...especially if you get the first foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Players can and will get hurt no matter what. I don't see end of game fouling situations as any more dangerous than any other time...especially if you get the first foul.

I don't either.

Newsflash, players get hurt while playing sports (sometimes with no contact too).

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

A solution in search of a problem. I have no problem with the end of game fouling and really don't understand why so many people seem to.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Because that's when kids get hurt.

Really? I have never seen a player injured in this scenario. I've seen a fight break out, but never had a kid get injured during the last minute fouling.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Because that's when kids get hurt.

Now, here is where I might agree with you, but only because I understand your context. I don't remember seeing anyone specifically injured from end-of-game fouling in any of the levels I work. But I understand since you work with a lot of younger kids, this could be a problem, since at that age they may not know the "proper" way to foul, and the coaches they have may not know the proper way to teach it. Add to it the fact they are probably a little less coordinated, and I can see where you might have seen a few more of those types of problems than some of the rest of us.

While I wouldn't have a big problem with you implementing that type of rule for your leagues, I still don't see it as a problem in HS and above. Even so, it might cut down on a couple of injuries in those situations, but it wouldn't eliminate them altogether, and it would also take away a legitimate strategy to allow for comebacks in games.