How to deal with bad refs

[tref]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

- I won't assume that but it is something I will ask about. My plan is to talk to the administrator who I already know has some issues with the officiating however runs into a lot of the problems you mentioned (running during season/etc...)

- I'm not saying I'm going to go in with a "prove you're certified" button or anything. It's just a point that weighs into the situation.

So are saying it is a running clock or not?

Again, what does certified have to do with anything? Unless the administrator promotes the league as using certified officials only, it should not matter. Being "certified" really only means that one has passed a written test, PERIOD!

- I know a guy that couldn't pass the HS test, but can work his tail off & has since moved up to the DI level.
- I know a guy that scored 100% on the test, but cant call Lassie.
- I know guys that buy shirts with the certified patch already on it & have never taken the test.

At the end of the day, you aren't a certified coach & your players have got to put the ball in the basket!
Even US cheating refs cant stop made baskets, or can we??

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by tref

So are saying it is a running clock or not?

Again, what does certified have to do with anything? Unless the administrator promotes the league as using certified officials only, it should not matter. Being "certified" really only means that one has passed a written test, PERIOD!

- I know a guy that couldn't pass the HS test, but can work his tail off & has since moved up to the DI level.
- I know a guy that scored 100% on the test, but cant call Lassie.
- I know guys that buy shirts with the certified patch already on it & have never taken the test.

At the end of the day, you aren't a certified coach & your players have got to put the ball in the basket!
Even US cheating refs cant stop made baskets, or can we??

It is a running clock until 2 minutes so I see your point on the not switching however they still switch at halftime so that the same ref is on our baseline when we're in the offensive zone so that's still confusing.

I've purposefully stayed away from my players in the discussion as I'm focused on the refs in this discussion. Since it keeps coming up though this is my advice to the players.

- You focus on the the little things, things you control like your turnovers, not letting a mistake affect the next play etc... and I'll worry about the big things (the refs, other players actions, etc....)
- I'm a firm believer that a good team that executes will nullify any ref or other team situation.
- Our team has their issues with unforced turnovers, missed layups and such. I take responsibility for it and ensure the players do as well. They have and continue to improve on it. That puts me into a spot to have to begin to deal with the big things I mentioned above, thus my questions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

It is a running clock until 2 minutes so I see your point on the not switching however they still switch at halftime so that the same ref is on our baseline when we're in the offensive zone so that's still confusing.

I've purposefully stayed away from my players in the discussion as I'm focused on the refs in this discussion. Since it keeps coming up though this is my advice to the players.

- You focus on the the little things, things you control like your turnovers, not letting a mistake affect the next play etc... and I'll worry about the big things (the refs, other players actions, etc....)
- I'm a firm believer that a good team that executes will nullify any ref or other team situation.
- Our team has their issues with unforced turnovers, missed layups and such. I take responsibility for it and ensure the players do as well. They have and continue to improve on it. That puts me into a spot to have to begin to deal with the big things I mentioned above, thus my questions.

It does seem odd, although I can see the logic of keeping it consistent the entire game. If they aren't going to switch during the half, anyway. It's flawed logic, but it's flawed.

Oh, my advice from your previous post: next time you get a T, shut up. Especially if you don't have an ACs.

[rockyroad]

Coach-rec,

I coach football, and ref basketball. As a coach I have learned that quite often what I "think" I see going on out on the field is not necessarily what is really happening. So I have made a "rule" for myself, my staff, my players, and my parents - we don't complain about the officiating at the game. If they want to gripe in their car, that's up to them...but not on the field, not as we are leaving the field, not in the locker room, etc., etc...I sit down on Saturday mornings and watch the game film. If there was something I was upset about Friday night, I look for it on the film. If it's there, I will shoot an e-mail (attaching the play clip helps) to the assignor and let him know about it. If it wasn't there - I am sure to let my staff and players know that it wasn't when we watch tape.

Now I know this is "only rec-league", but there's no reason why you can't do something similar. Have a parent film the games, and then watch the tape. If there's something there then you can go to the assignor. More often than not (as I have learned) you will see that you were wrong.

[coach-rec]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Coach-rec,

I coach football, and ref basketball. As a coach I have learned that quite often what I "think" I see going on out on the field is not necessarily what is really happening. So I have made a "rule" for myself, my staff, my players, and my parents - we don't complain about the officiating at the game. If they want to gripe in their car, that's up to them...but not on the field, not as we are leaving the field, not in the locker room, etc., etc...I sit down on Saturday mornings and watch the game film. If there was something I was upset about Friday night, I look for it on the film. If it's there, I will shoot an e-mail (attaching the play clip helps) to the assignor and let him know about it. If it wasn't there - I am sure to let my staff and players know that it wasn't when we watch tape.

Now I know this is "only rec-league", but there's no reason why you can't do something similar. Have a parent film the games, and then watch the tape. If there's something there then you can go to the assignor. More often than not (as I have learned) you will see that you were wrong.

I appreciate that feedback. It's a plan that I will consider putting into practice.

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Coach-rec,

I coach football, and ref basketball. As a coach I have learned that quite often what I "think" I see going on out on the field is not necessarily what is really happening. So I have made a "rule" for myself, my staff, my players, and my parents - we don't complain about the officiating at the game. If they want to gripe in their car, that's up to them...but not on the field, not as we are leaving the field, not in the locker room, etc., etc...I sit down on Saturday mornings and watch the game film. If there was something I was upset about Friday night, I look for it on the film. If it's there, I will shoot an e-mail (attaching the play clip helps) to the assignor and let him know about it. If it wasn't there - I am sure to let my staff and players know that it wasn't when we watch tape.

Now I know this is "only rec-league", but there's no reason why you can't do something similar. Have a parent film the games, and then watch the tape. If there's something there then you can go to the assignor. More often than not (as I have learned) you will see that you were wrong.

Late to the discussion, but I like Rocky's point. Forget about understanding officiating mechanics/rules if you're just trying to prove somebody wrong (what will you say? "I know what I'm talking about b/c I read it on an internet board!")

Since you are coaching 'young men', one of the more important skills you can teach your players is how to deal with adversity (even incompetence). By remaining calm and focusing on coaching, you are setting a great example of leadership, composure and focus that they may hopefully carry into their everyday lives.

[tref]

Originally Posted by pizanno

Since you are coaching 'young men', one of the more important skills you can teach your players is how to deal with adversity (even incompetence). By remaining calm and focusing on coaching, you are setting a great example of leadership, composure and focus that they may hopefully carry into their everyday lives.

+1

Teaching life lessons through youth sports got lost along the way