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JugglingReferee Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:48pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 739893)
That is not correct. POI most definitely involves team control. It's the first thing on the check list.
I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?

Raymond Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:49pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 739896)
I never did receive a copy of this year's books, so could you please enter that list for me?
It's a mental one. And your statement concerning POI is still wrong. ;)

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:50pm
Ok, thanks M&M. When I wrote POI in my reply, I meant P in the game OI.

tref Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:50pm
A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.

Adam Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:53pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 739891)
But we ended up with the same conclusion, and I don't believe that anything I said is incorrect.
The hi-lighted portion below is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 739884)
Double foul goes to POI. The arrow doesn't change on a foul, so it remains in A's favour. POI is a situation with no team control, so we use the arrow. Arrow points to A, so A's ball for an APA throw-in.

I'm not sure if that's what you're sayin', Snaq.
Same conclusion, different roads.

Would you use the arrow if the double foul was called during a throw-in following a violation?

Adam Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:54pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 739899)
A good way to remember how to administer POI situations (aside from studying the rulebook) is, what would've happened had my partner not blown his/her whistle.
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"

fullor30 Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:57pm
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Originally Posted by snaqwells (Post 739864)
poi is the ap throw-in. Ball to the team who had it for the throw-in, arrow will switch once the throw-in is completed.

Had a1 released the ball, same result.
Had a1 released the ball and the ball been tipped but not controlled, then you would have an ap throw-in to the other team (the arrow would have reversed on the tip.)
+1

Raymond Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:57pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739902)
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"
There is one exception, that being a shot in flight. Then the POI is determined by whether or not the shot was made.

tref Mon Mar 14, 2011 03:59pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739902)
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"
True, true... perhaps its better to hit the books :-)

Adam Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:00pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 739905)
There is one exception, that being a made basket if the DF occurs during a shot in flight.
True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.

tref Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:03pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739908)
True, the only reason I changed it was because "what would have happened" could lead to some incorrect rulings if an official decided that B1 "would have had an easy steal" or something similar.
Coach: Come on ref, he was going to fall down when you blew your whistle! That would've been a travel... POI no?? :D

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:08pm
Fair enough Snaqs. :)

Thanks! Minute details make the difference!

Adam Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:11pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 739911)
Fair enough Snaqs. :)
Of course, I could have just read you wrong. :D

M&M Guy Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:50pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 739902)
I'm going to pick a nit because I know you won't take it personally.

This got me to thinking, maybe we could word this better by saying, "what was happening when the whistle blew?"
Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

;) :D

Adam Mon Mar 14, 2011 04:52pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 739921)
Me too:

"A whole bunch of crap that needed to be called." So, why would we want to go back to that?

;) :D
Which is why you don't go back and ask the coach what was happening when the whistle blew.


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