Tim Higgins

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Thanks. Then we are in agreement. I just had the names mixed up. Higgins was straight-lined and was unable to assist Burr, who should have been in position to see the violation. Walton, for his part, not seeing the first OOB step, surely could have whistled the second. And a whistle, even slightly after 1.7, could have allowed the proper amount of time to be put on the clock.

It was Higgin's line and I disagree he was straightlined. If a player blocked his view(which didn't happen since he was on the court by about 5-6 feet) that's different. Straightlined to me is a competitive match up which you are unable to have an angle on offense/defense. This wasn't the case. I don't see how Walton could make an across the court OOB call, it would be a guess, and he did the right thing, he trusted his partners.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It was Higgin's line and I disagree he was straightlined. If a player blocked his view(which didn't happen since he was on the court by about 5-6 feet) that's different. Straightlined to me is a competitive match up which you are unable to have an angle on offense/defense. This wasn't the case. I don't see how Walton could make an across the court OOB, it would be a guess and he did the right thing, he trusted his partners.

After St. John's stole the ball it became Burr's line. But Burr was not in position to see the line b/c of how he set up on the initial throw-in. Higgins should have had secondary help on the line.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

After St. John's stole the ball it became Burr's line. But Burr was not in position to see the line b/c of how he set up on the initial throw-in. Higgins should have had secondary help on the line.

Why is it Burr's line? Not familar with NCAA PCA, isn't it new trail's (Higgin's)?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why is it Burr's line? Not familar with NCAA PCA, isn't it new trail's (Higgin's)?

Go back and look at the pictures and ask Rut for help in telling those two apart. Burr, apparently, IS the new trail, although he is not visible in the video.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Go back and look at the pictures and ask Rut for help in telling those two apart. Burr, apparently, IS the new trail, although he is not visible in the video.

HaHa! I stand corrected!!

[Raymond]

A positive finish for an officiating crew:

ACC officials supervisor praises Kersey, crew - Teel time - dailypress.com

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A positive finish for an officiating crew:

ACC officials supervisor praises Kersey, crew - Teel time - dailypress.com

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Why is it Burr's line? Not familar with NCAA PCA, isn't it new trail's (Higgin's)?

When the play started (b/c throw-in by Rutgers) Burr was the new lead 94' away in the frontcourt under the basket. In the video shown from St. John's frontcourt you will see him running to get over to the sideline from the paint after the pass is stolen. Higgins is in front of St. John's bench along the sideline.

[Spence]

If this has already been discussed I missed it so...

The player with the ball who appeared to travel and step OOB was in the process of chucking the ball while stepping OOB.

Let's say the whistle blew on the step OOB while he was in the process of chucking the ball into the air. Anything for the chuck? DOG?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

If this has already been discussed I missed it so...

The player with the ball who appeared to travel and step OOB was in the process of chucking the ball while stepping OOB.

Let's say the whistle blew on the step OOB while he was in the process of chucking the ball into the air. Anything for the chuck? DOG?

Let's say you stuck him for DoG. How would you justify it in the rules?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let's say you stuck him for DoG. How would you justify it in the rules?

In reading NFHS 3-47 now I'm not sure I can give him a DOG warning.

Are you saying you would stick him for unsporting act? Or is it nothing? Wouldn't it be like a kid who dunks right after a travel call ie judgment call?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Spence

If this has already been discussed I missed it so...

The player with the ball who appeared to travel and step OOB was in the process of chucking the ball while stepping OOB.

Let's say the whistle blew on the step OOB while he was in the process of chucking the ball into the air. Anything for the chuck? DOG?

Already addressed by John Adams in ESPN article. Even it there had been a whistle the player thought game was over so no T for action.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by fullor30

It was Higgin's line and I disagree he was straightlined. If a player blocked his view(which didn't happen since he was on the court by about 5-6 feet) that's different. Straightlined to me is a competitive match up which you are unable to have an angle on offense/defense. This wasn't the case. I don't see how Walton could make an across the court OOB call, it would be a guess, and he did the right thing, he trusted his partners.

It appears to me that there were 3 people in the line of sight for Higgins: 1) the St John's player near Higgins, 2) the Rutgers player near the spot of the uncalled OOB violation, and 3) Lavin out of his box. Higgins was not on the line, but without the benefit of his angle, it is difficult to tell if 1, 2 and/or 3 interfered with his view. He did not appear to move to improve. I will defer to college officials as far as whose line it was, as I am not familiar with NCAA PCAs with respect to differences from NFHS. Without knowing it, I think Higgins had secondary responsibility there.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't see how Walton could make an across the court OOB call, it would be a guess, and he did the right thing, he trusted his partners.

Walton had good reason to not call the OOB but there was no good reason to not call the traveling...that was his call and his PCA. Unless he's heard a horn or a whistle, he has to assume that the player is still inbounds and that there is time on the clock and make that call.

It would be convenient to try to lay blame on any one or two of the crew but in reality, all three made errors on that play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Walton had good reason to not call the OOB but there was no good reason to not call the traveling...that was his call and his PCA. Unless he's heard a horn or a whistle, he has to assume that the player is still inbounds and that there is time on the clock and make that call.

It would be convenient to try to lay blame on any one or two of the crew but in reality, all three made errors on that play.

It's almost as if something told them the game was over. I'd stick with that, but I heard the live radio call of that play this morning, and I couldn't hear any horn that would indicate that was the case.