Timer's error

[BktBallRef]

A horn isn't whistle, is it?

The rule says the ball becomes dead when a whistle blows.

It doesn't say the ball becomes dead when a horn sounds.

[just another ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
A horn isn't whistle, is it?

The rule says the ball becomes dead when a whistle blows.

It doesn't say the ball becomes dead when a horn sounds.

5-6 quarter or extra period ends when the signal sounds indicating time has expired....

6-7-6 ball becomes dead when time expires for a quarter or extra period.

[Hawks Coach]

Tony

Try this one. Team B up 1, 3 seconds left, Team A inbounding. Being the good ref you are, you maintain your own count at this point in the game.

Time expires and horn goes off with shot in air, shot misses, all players save one under the boards are turning away (Team B is celebrating, Team A dejected). A1 taps rebound in and is also dejected, knowing hte game is over. With tap falling through basket, you blow whistle ending game by your count. Is the basket good?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
A horn isn't whistle, is it?

The rule says the ball becomes dead when a whistle blows.

It doesn't say the ball becomes dead when a horn sounds.

Fundamental 16.

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Fundamental 16.

Help please - what is Fundamental 16?

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
A horn isn't whistle, is it?

The rule says the ball becomes dead when a whistle blows.

It doesn't say the ball becomes dead when a horn sounds.

Which rule specifically says this with respect to the end of period? And I thought the general rule was the ball is dead, and whistle blows to signal that the ball has become dead (OOB, foul, etc). The ball usually is dead prior to the whistle blowing to signal this fact. One clear exception to this general rule is an inadvertent whistle, which causes a dead ball where none had already occurred.

If the horn blows legitimately at the end of a period to signal that time has expired, the ball is dead at that moment. Your whistle after the horn merely confirms that fact the ball is dead and the period is over. But a shot released after the horn and before your confirming whistle does not count. Ball was already dead.

[mick]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach

Help please - what is Fundamental 16?

From Officials Manual: Basketball Rules Fundamentals -
16. The official's whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (It is already dead.)

[Jurassic Referee]

The "Basketball Rules Fundamentals" are also in the back of the NFHS rule book-somewhere around the signals.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 29th, 2002 at 09:31 PM]

[stan-MI]

Interesting feedback. I think Hawks Coach has the correct rules interpretation, put time back on the clock per 5-10 and go with the arrow per 6-3e. I'm sure it wouldn't make Team B happy.

This actually happened in a district final. The officials put 1.5 back on the clock and gave the ball to B for a throw-in on the sideline nearest to where B2 had caught the ball (immediately after the horn). They sold it to the coaches without much trouble, and B missed a last-second shot. If B had won the game with a last-second shot, and Coach A had gone home, consulted the rule book and called the supervisor, do you think there might be some repercussions for the officials?

Even though it might seem unfair, I guess I'd stick with the rules and go with the arrow (which was pointing in favor of A).

[BktBallRef]

Just playing devil's advocate, guys! Trying to get everyone to do a little thinking and digging. Note the at the beginning of each post.

It's unfortunate but there's not much you can do, other than reset the clock and go the arrow.