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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

My goodness, I can't believe an official could look at this video (at :54) and not see a PC foul.

I see nothing on the video at 1:24 that suggests a foul. I don't have the L's look at the play, though.

Agree....easy PC. You don't even have to look twice or in slow-mo to break it down...it is obvious.

As for the foul at 1:24, the camera angle is inconclusive. It is somewhat suggestive of body contact but it is possible that the primary force was through the ball. The lead was in a great position to make the right call.

[JRutledge]

PC foul all the way on the first play.

Cannot tell anything from the blocked shot.

Peace

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

My goodness, I can't believe an official could look at this video (at :54) and not see a PC foul.

How can that be a PC foul? The center slid towards her to cut her off, and was never set. She clearly undercut the ballhandler as she was going up for the shot. That's a blocking foul on the center.

[APG]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

How can that be a PC foul? The center slid towards her to cut her off, and was never set. She clearly undercut the ballhandler as she was going up for the shot. That's a blocking foul on the center.

Pause it at the 54 second mark. The defender has two feet on the ground and torso facing the defender. She slides laterally (as is her right due to gaining LGP) to maintain her LGP. At the 55 second mark, she still has her torso in the path of the dribbler when the dribbler makes contact with the defender. The dribbler is not airborne when the contact was initiated. There is no undercutting of an airborne player.

Lastly, being set has nothing to do with being in LGP to take a charge. If you use that language with players and coaches, you're just perpetuating a myth.

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Pause it at the 54 second mark. The defender has two feet on the ground and torso facing the defender. She slides laterally (as is her right due to gaining LGP) to maintain her LGP. At the 55 second mark, she still has her torso in the path of the dribbler when the dribbler makes contact with the defender. The dribbler is not airborne when the contact was initiated. There is no undercutting of an airborne player.

Lastly, being set has nothing to do with being in LGP to take a charge. If you use that language with players and coaches, you're just perpetuating a myth.

You can not simply pause it at :54 and think you can make an accurate call on that play. Movement is still occurring. And according to the legal guarding position rule, you can only move laterally or obliquely provided you do not move towards the opponent when contact occurs.

When you cut off a slasher, you're moving towards that player. Note: the rule doesn't say move forward; it says moving towards. You must stop the motion before contact occurs (that's what I mean by "set"), and the center didn't. And since she didn't, she is liable for the contact.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

How can that be a PC foul? The center slid towards her to cut her off, and was never set. She clearly undercut the ballhandler as she was going up for the shot. That's a blocking foul on the center.

Set? Since when is that a requirement for obtaining and then maintaining LGP?

This is a clear, no-doubt-about-it PC foul and (quite frankly) a terrible call by an official who wasn't properly officiating the defense.

Notice you're walking alone here. As a good friend frequently says, "When it's you against the world, back the world."

[Raymond]

0:54--with benefit of watching the play on video as opposed to live action I have a PC. But I can understand if the Lead saw something different from his angle.

Last second shot: I have nothing on that play. And the Lead was blowing her whistle as soon as the shot was blocked. Based on the timing of her whistle and her angle on the play I don't see how she comes up with that call. Again, with benefit of video replay that she doesn't have.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

How can that be a PC foul? The center slid towards her to cut her off, and was never set.

Are you really an official?

[walter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Are you really an official?

+1 I was beginning to ask the same thing ?

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

My goodness, I can't believe an official could look at this video (at :54) and not see a PC foul.

I see nothing on the video at 1:24 that suggests a foul. I don't have the L's look at the play, though.

As I look at 1:24 I could possibly see a pushing foul on blue 20 in the lower right corner of screen. Hard to say for sure with that camera angle.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Last second shot: I have nothing on that play. And the Lead was blowing her whistle as soon as the shot was blocked. Based on the timing of her whistle and her angle on the play I don't see how she comes up with that call. Again, with benefit of video replay that she doesn't have.

I must be watching the wrong play.

I paused the play with the Lead's arm just beginning to move up, even with her waist. At that time, the shot has been blocked and the ball has been caught by a defender. The call clearly came afterwards. If she has a foul, when the hell is she supposed to call it?

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

As I look at 1:24 I could possibly see a pushing foul on blue 20 in the lower right corner of screen. Hard to say for sure with that camera angle.

Why? What advantage has been gained? If you're calling something that ticky tacky in a tie game with under 10 seconds left, I sure don't want to be on the floor with you.

I tell ya, some of you guys are really reachin'.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I must be watching the wrong play.

I paused the play with the Lead's arm just beginning to move up, even with her waist. At that time, the shot has been blocked and the ball has been caught by a defender. The call clearly came afterwards. If she has a foul, when the hell is she supposed to call it?

I'm watching a play in which the Lead is looking up at the ball and has 2 bodies between her and the shooter and yet she whistles a "block" before the player makes it back to the ground. If she is reacting to the body contact then she has superhuman reaction plus eyes in her neck. She reacted to the ball being blocked, not the contact to the the shooter.

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by richmsn

my goodness, i can't believe an official could look at this video (at :54) and not see a pc foul.

I see nothing on the video at 1:24 that suggests a foul. I don't have the l's look at the play, though.

+1

[APG]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Also, can anyone explain to me what were they conferring about, exactly? She had called the foul; Santa Monica was clearly in the act of shooting, so what's there to discuss? Go ahead and enforce your botched call.

It appeared to me that they were discussing a timing issue and whether the foul occurred before or after the time expired since there were players and the coach pointing at the scoreboard.

And let me ask you think, what exactly did the defender do illegally to earn a blocking foul? Did she not have two feet on the ground and torso facing the dribbler? Did she move forward or obliquely into the dribbler? We know time and distance isn't a factor. She takes the contact square in the torso or so it appears. What did you see that made it a blocking foul?

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

It appeared to me that they were discussing a timing issue and whether the foul occurred before or after the time expired since there were players and the coach pointing at the scoreboard.

And let me ask you think, what exactly did the defender do illegally to earn a blocking foul? Did she not have two feet on the ground and torso facing the dribbler? Did she move forward or obliquely into the dribbler? We know time and distance isn't a factor. She takes the contact square in the torso or so it appears. What did you see that made it a blocking foul?

If it was a timing issue, okay. But from what the narrator stated, I didn't see any issue with the time on the clock. It's possible, however.

As far as the block/charge @ :54, the center moved toward the ballhandler to cut her off on the drive. She never stopped moving before the ballhandler went airbourne and contact occurred. By definition the center is responsible for the contact made and it's a blocking foul.