10 Second Count

[Matt S.]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Am I reading you correctly? You called a backcourt violation becuase A2 should have caught the ball in the frontcourt but didn't?

If so, do you also give the ball back to A if A2 tips the ball out-of-bounds when he should have easily caught it?

We can't make calls based on what a player could/should have done but only what they actually did. Please don't make up violations that don't exist. That is really causes headaches for everyone. How do we expect the coaches/fans to ever learn anything with such calls.

Let me be more clear-first, it wasn't ME that made this call-it came up in discussion. However, in this particular scenario, an official could easily tell the coach that s/he judged team control to be established, hence the violation. I neither suggest nor condone the "making up" of violations.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
If you can take your eyes off the girl at the table you'll be able to look downcourt & see if the shot clock is at 35 when the ball gets inbounds.

I didn't say I am a heckuva point guard. I said I was. Sadly, those days of cute girls at the table staring at me are long gone

Chuck

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
By RULE,there is no violation.But....y'all gonna call a violation anyway.

So...you call a violation when there is no rule saying that it really is a violation.

I get it!You are kidding ,aren't you?

It's to balance it out with the actions that are violations by rule but not called.

I think this is what coaches mean when they say, "Call it both ways."

[devdog69]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I didn't say I am a heckuva point guard. I said I was. Sadly, those days of cute girls at the table staring at me are long gone

Chuck

They still stare at me, Chuck, but for some reason I don't like that look they are giving me

[devdog69]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

It's to balance it out with the actions that are violations by rule but not called.

I think this is what coaches mean when they say, "Call it both ways."

ROFLMAO

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by RookieDude

Thanks to the 4 that had the guts to respond how they would call, or not call, the violation.

RD

So does this mean that if we didn't respond, we don't have any guts??? Ouch...I guess my feelings are hurt... but then again, it was a pretty silly question...

[mick]

Originally posted by rockyroad

So does this mean that if we didn't respond, we don't have any guts??? Ouch...I guess my feelings are hurt... but then again, it was a pretty silly question...

dj,
You show an additional lack of intestinal fortitude by yet not answering the question.
I am not "brave" enough to answer RD's question.
...Wassamatta U. ?

Rocket J. Squirrel mick

[rockyroad]

I know mick...I keep trying, but I can't seem to find my backbone - I think I left it at home today...probably sitting on the couch with my guts watching Matlock reruns... and I would add a quote from my favorite cartoon character, but it's the Pink Panther...

[mikesears]

Originally posted by RookieDude
...Let's see...I never did get my question answered, "has any official here ever called the backcourt violation when the ball is in the air?"
Or maybe I did...no official here has ever called it!
4 responses:
1. It is a Rule so call the Violation
2. It is a Rule...BUT "I tend to loose track of the count"
3. It is a Rule...BUT "use common sense"
4. It is a Rule...BUT "don't call the violation..."

These responses, surprisingly enough, were about the same as at our association meeting.
Thanks to the 4 that had the guts to respond how they would call, or not call, the violation.
Any other officials care to comment on how they would treat this violation?

FYI, I tend to agree with responses 2-4...and can remember when the ball was in the air, past the mid-court line, and past the 10 second count, my whistle didn't make a "peep".
(But only because my gum got stuck in it)

RD

I don't officate basketball anymore but when I did I would't call the violation unless the Team A player who threw the pass was trapped and was just getting rid of the ball in Desperation to try to beat the 10-second clock.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I didn't say I am a heckuva point guard. I said I was. Sadly, those days of cute girls at the table staring at me are long gone

Chuck

I don't remember any cute scorers/timers from my HS years - those days must be long gone, period.

[mick]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
[B
I don't remember any cute scorers/timers from my HS years - those days must be long gone, period. [/B]

When yer older, you become more diversified.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by mikesears
I don't officate basketball anymore ....

Well, for Pete's sake, Mike, why not!?!? We miss you around here!

[dblref]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

I don't remember any cute scorers/timers from my HS years - those days must be long gone, period.

At your age,"long gone" means 2 years. At my age, it means at least 20 years.

[JRutledge]

I think in the game of basketball we spend way too much time trying to find reasons not to call things on the offense (3 seconds, carry, FT violations). The defense should be rewarded for playing good defense. Make the call if the ball is in the air. Especially if you were at nine when the player finally throws the ball. Remember the ball is already dead by the time you actually blow your whistle. This probably is not going to happen that much anyway.

Peace