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say a1 and a2 are in the front court a few feet inside the division line, like six feet apart with no close defenders. a1 passes to a2, who flubs the catch, it hits his knee and the ball bounces between them.
my question is, is team control retained? /many thanks!! |
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okay, thanks...so if a1 bends over to pick it up, accidently brushes it into the backcourt, goes into the back court completely to get it, do we have over and back? just trying to get a grasp of the minutiae of the rules...3rd year guy. we had this happen in our jv game friday. asked the varsity guys when they came in, one said over and back, the other two said no. thanks. |
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just re-read your post, and it clicked...thanks!!!!
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With that information how would you rule your play? And what were the arguments for and against the backcourt violation?
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C'mon man!
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to "letemplay" yeah...i knew the question was probably stupid...i do as many games as i can, usually 8-10 per week at any level... but, sometimes the minutiae of the rules get lodged sideways in my brain...seems like the more i read the less i understand. thats why this website is invaluable to me. |
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NFHS team control on a throw in?
A1 while controlling the ball in FC calls TO.
We return and TeamA is inbounding in FC... similar to the muffed pass in the OP, A1's pass to A2 bounces off A2 and into BC, A2 retrieves. What do you have?
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Are you asking the OP to answer, or are you not sure about the correct ruling?
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I believe I had a partner mistakenly apply NCAA Mens Rule in my sitch during a NFHS game. He explained his interp to a rightfully upset coach. Curious if OP would let A2 retrieve it or not.
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While there's team control during a throw-in NCAA, there's a specific exception that allows the ball to be thrown into backcourt or caused to enter the backcourt before possession is established. Meaning the NCAA and NFHS rulings are exactly the same.
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Either way, I think Bob put it as clearly as possible: It's a BC violation if the following four elements are met: 1) Team Control 2) The ball reaches the front court 3) A is the last to touch before the ball goes to the back court 4) A is the first to touch after the ball goes to the back court. If all 4 are met, it's a violation. If even one is not met, it's not a violation.
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