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[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's a slang term referring to the hip hop group De La Soul, who influenced many other artists. When you "dela with" something (or someone), you try to influence them to do what you want without resorting to a rule-based punishment (in this example, ruling disconcertion).

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Bob listens to hip hop???

And no one ever claimed Bob was infallible. Just that we should always listen to Bob. Even when he's wrong about something, he comes up with the best explanations for his answers!

[NoFussRef]

So the "twinkling fingers" from opponents on the lane, or the "foot stomping" from the defender outside the arc (who is more than just tapping his shoe into place) Etc.... = Disconcertion so you warn and award another free-throw, if it continues whack-ola. ?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

So the "twinkling fingers" from opponents on the lane, or the "foot stomping" from the defender outside the arc (who is more than just tapping his shoe into place) Etc.... = Disconcertion so you warn and award another free-throw, if it continues whack-ola. ?

Does the rule say you should warn? And what do you mean by "whack-ola"?

Do you know what the penalty for disconcertion is?

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does the rule say you should warn? And what do you mean by "whack-ola"?

Do you know what the penalty for disconcertion is?

I am guessing there is no warning.
9-1-5 disconcertion = Technical Foul.

Just thinking in a rec game, say, 8th grade boys, I could see going with awarding another free throw and warning them any further disconcertion would result in a T.

But if I am getting your point, there is nothing giving me the authority to warn rather than "whack". "Whack-ola" = T-foul.

[APG]

The penalty for disconcertion is awarding another free throw if it is missed. It is ignored if the free throw is made. Could you issue a techincail foul for the specfic action? Sure, but there's no reason to go looking for a reason to whack.

If it's close to disconcertion, you can warn. If they disconcert, enforce.

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The penalty for disconcertion is awarding another free throw if it is missed. It is ignored if the free throw is made. Could you issue a techincail foul for the specfic action? Sure, but there's no reason to go looking for a reason to whack.

If it's close to disconcertion, you can warn. If they disconcert, enforce.

That is my take on this issue too.

As with a lane violation (defense) if basket is good, we just move on. Jurassic had me thinking I may not have a leg to stand on by awarding another free-throw for disconcerting the shooter. Made it sound like I either had to T up or ignore. I honestly don't have a current NFHS book, nor do I officiate Association games (yet).

I have in fact awarded another free-throw for disconcertion, but have never T'd a player for it. Do my best to talk em out of trouble. If they get a T from me they usually had it coming 10mins ago.

[APG]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

That is my take on this issue too.

As with a lane violation (defense) if basket is good, we just move on. Jurassic had me thinking I may not have a leg to stand on by awarding another free-throw for disconcerting the shooter. Made it sound like I either had to T up or ignore. I honestly don't have a current NFHS book, nor do I officiate Association games (yet).

I have in fact awarded another free-throw for disconcertion, but have never T'd a player for it. Do my best to talk em out of trouble. If they get a T from me they usually had it coming 10mins ago.

The only way I'd give a T for disconcertion is if a player said something that in of itself would be unsportsmanlike, or if they kept repeating the violation one after another and thus was making a travesty of the game. This is similar to a team repeating free throw violations at the end of the game to ensure a made basket when the offense is trying to intentionally miss.

What JR was trying to say is if a player disconcerts, there is no warning and to call the violation (if applicable). Now if a player is close to disconcerting, or if the player makes the free throw, you can tell the play to knock it out.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The only way I'd give a T for disconcertion is if a player said something that in of itself would be unsportsmanlike, or if they kept repeating the violation one after another and thus was making a travesty of the game. This is similar to a team repeating free throw violations at the end of the game to ensure a made basket when the offense is trying to intentionally miss.

What JR was trying to say is if a player disconcerts, there is no warning and to call the violation (if applicable). Now if a player is close to disconcerting, or if the player makes the free throw, you can tell the play to knock it out.

You're a nice guy, APG. Maybe you can take some time and explain why it's legal to throw the ball off your own backboard too.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're a nice guy, APG. Maybe you can take some time and explain why it's legal to throw the ball off your own backboard too.

Haha! I'm not even sure why I've spent so long on that front.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by rsl

I see a typo. I thought Bob was infallible.

The slogan is "Always listen to Bob." Pronounce "dela" with a long A, and you're all set.

[BillyMac]

Does a disconcertion violation require a delayed violation signal?

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does a disconcertion violation require a delayed violation signal?

The signal is for a delayed lane violation. I wouldn't classify disconcertion as a lane violation but rather a free throw violation. I sometimes still use it though out of habit on this type of play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The signal is for a delayed lane violation.

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that description before. I think (my opinion) it's an "error" and should be used for all delayed FT violations.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that description before. I think (my opinion) it's an "error" and should be used for all delayed FT violations.

I could see that. NCAA-M and NCAA-W both have the signal as "delayed dead ball: withheld whistle."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I hadn't noticed that description before. I think (my opinion) it's an "error" and should be used for all delayed FT violations.

Both the NFHS manual, and the IAABO manual, list the single closed fist signal as a "Delay Lane Violation" signal. That's why I asked my initial question. I didn't realize that it may have been an error at the time. Now I believe it may be an error.