Timeout or held ball?

[Mark Padgett]

Fed rules. A1 is holding the ball when B1 puts his hands on it. At that precise moment, coach A requests a TO. Do you grant the TO or call the held ball?

[just another ref]

Is this a trick question?

[NoFussRef]

I will take the bait on this one...

Anytime I see a try released, a fumble (loose ball), or A1 + B1 getting into a held ball I will not grant a TO.

I will bring the thumbs up quick on the held ball sitch, and after whistle and AP point, I will then ask coach if he still wants TO.

Been getting this right ?

[referee99]

... coach, full or a 30?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Fed rules. A1 is holding the ball when B1 puts his hands on it. At that precise moment, coach A requests a TO. Do you grant the TO or call the held ball?

You decide which occurred first and call that. And if it's a held ball, ask the coach if he still wants the TO.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Fed rules. A1 is holding the ball when B1 puts his hands on it. At that precise moment,

That's not a held ball yet, nor has A1 given up player control.

Grant the TO.

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's not a held ball yet, nor has A1 given up player control.

Grant the TO.

Reading the OP a lil closer I might grant a TO in this sitch. If B1 simply "put hands on the ball" then Bob is correct, not yet a held ball.

I was reading the OP as 'During a held ball' and interpreting that to mean A1 and B1 both playing tug-of-war with the ball. If this were the sitch. does A still have team control, grant TO? If during a held ball (FC) team A still has team control can you have 3 Sec Violation on A?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by NoFussRef

Reading the OP a lil closer I might grant a TO in this sitch. If B1 simply "put hands on the ball" then Bob is correct, not yet a held ball.

I was reading the OP as 'During a held ball' and interpreting that to mean A1 and B1 both playing tug-of-war with the ball. If this were the sitch. does A still have team control, grant TO? If during a held ball (FC) team A still has team control can you have 3 Sec Violation on A?

There's no such thing as "during" a held ball.

Either you've decided that both players have their hands on the ball such that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness (or whatever the wording is -- in which case it's a held ball and no TO (unless another is requested), or the criterion hasn't been met -- in which case grant the TO.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Either you've decided that both players have their hands on the ball such that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness (or whatever the wording is, in which case it's a held ball and no TO (unless another is requested), or the criterion hasn't been met, min which case grant the TO.

A held ball occurs when opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.