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Adam Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by reffish (Post 730829)
Don't respond as you did and try to square your shoulders quicker. And smile. And say thank you.

Yabut!

tref Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:33pm

Thanks for the check... see ya next summer!

TheOracle Wed Feb 16, 2011 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 730505)
Had a legitimately fun sophomore boys game tonight. I'd worked with this partner several times already this season, and my assignor would ever allow it, I'd be fine doing all my games with him.

One of his friends was in the stands, a guy who had officiated for a long time. He came into the locker room with us at halftime, and he told me I hustled too much. He didn't mean end-to-end hustle, but he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?

Think two things:

"Economy of movement" and "move with purpose at all times".

Always hustle, but controlled energy looks better.

26 Year Gap Wed Feb 16, 2011 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 730831)
I tried to be less of a squirrel in the second half, and I found myself able to see the same amount, if not more. I guess I was trying to make my movements to improve too deliberate.

I'm hoping to get the tape.

There was a guy I knew who was very well-respected who was a squirrel. So, I had that burned into my brain. But, he had many years under his belt, and I didn't. So, it was a surprise to me when some officials told me to move more slowly because it looked like I was chasing the play.

I have tried to be much more deliberate about my movement on the court and I have found that it works. It helps also with mechanics and reporting as I am more deliberate in those areas. The two go hand in glove.

Camron Rust Wed Feb 16, 2011 08:39pm

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Originally Posted by River Ref (Post 730513)
At a camp once I was told that I needed to square my shoulders to what I'm watching at all times. I responded that my neck is quicker and that my shoulders end up that direction. I was told again to square the shoulders so that (they)could tell where I was watching. What say you guys?????

Squaring your shoulders does make it easier for your partners to see what you're covering so that you don't have no/two/three sets of eyes on the ball. If your shoulders are away, it helps them realize you are not on ball and they better be. If your shoulders are towards the ball, they know you're on ball and it is OK to look elsewhere.

SWMOzebra Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:39am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 730821)
A great clinician once taught that once one is settled in his primary, everything necessary to see can be seen from within the distance of the occasional "karaoke (sp?) step"--one crossover and another lateral step beyond that.

I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:41am

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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 731206)
I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.

That is true, but you don't have to be an electron while working the arc.

chartrusepengui Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:51am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 731208)
That is true, but you don't have to be an electron while working the arc.

Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......;)

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:05am

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 731211)
Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......;)

Then there are the 'neutrons' who stay at a point fixed at the intersection of the sideline and division line.....

chartrusepengui Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:16am

I worked with one of them the other night. He looked real funny standing there in the corner all night.

A couple of refs watching from stands called him the zebra mussel as he always "stuck" to that spot. When he was lead he stood directly under the basket and never moved. It was a tough game to do with him. Fortunately, it was a one time deal and I was stepping in for a friend who had a family emergency.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:18am

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 731221)
I worked with one of them the other night. He looked real funny standing there in the corner all night.

A couple of refs watching from stands called him the zebra mussel as he always "stuck" to that spot. When he was lead he stood directly under the basket and never moved. It was a tough game to do with him. Fortunately, it was a one time deal and I was stepping in for a friend who had a family emergency.

Did he leave a trail of mucous?

chartrusepengui Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:38am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 731223)
Did he leave a trail of mucous?

well, nobody was slipping or cleaning the floor:eek:

mbyron Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 731211)
Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......;)

You could move in a quantum probability amplitude? Wow! :D

Freddy Thu Feb 17, 2011 04:11pm

Still Applies for 2 Man
 
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Originally Posted by SWMOzebra (Post 731206)
I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.

I still do two-man occasionally, in fact I have a DH in a couple of hours. Unless there's something where I need to sprint to get to another position, I'll still do the "karaoke two-step", whether at L or T, to get where I need to see the slot or the play better. If necessary, one move will be followed by another, but I still do it all the time whenever I get to do two-man as well as three-man.

The guys I see moving all over the place, sprinting back and forth like an ADD inflicted ant, usually don't get themselves into any sort of better position to see what they need to see better anyway.

Since it's fresh on my mind, I'll try to report back on how it works in two-man after the games tonight.

Scrapper1 Fri Feb 18, 2011 09:58am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 730505)
he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?

Yes, at camp I've been told that I move too much as the Trail. Problem is, I can't seem to stop it. I find that when I stop or even slow down too much, I inevitably end up straight-lined at a bad time. Maybe I just worked too much 2-whistle coming up and got used to moving out to the jump circle and back to the sideline.

In any case, I try (not always successfully, probably) to settle just above the 28' line as Trail and then work 2 steps up to 2 steps down from there. That usually keeps me from jitterbugging too much.


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