Simultaneous Personal Foul

[shawnwil]

I understand that if we have simultaneous personal fouls, that the ball goes out of bounds at the spot of the foul. What foul decides where the ball goes in NFHS. If we have a foul under the basket, and a fould on the dribbler out top, where is the ball placed? Also where do you get your ruling for placement of the ball, I looked through the rulebook and case book, and cannot locate a play.

[Mark Padgett]

This is an easy one. Never call it. Put it in the same category as multiple fouls.

The rule of whistle is that the only time two fouls occur at exactly the same time is if you have a double foul call. And those come only after 54 warnings.

[ChuckElias]

shawn, we were told at our interpretation meeting for HS that the ball is put in play at the spot closest to where the ball was at the time of the simultaneous fouls.

In NCAA, the ruling is explicitly in the rulebook and is different from HS. The ball is put back in play at the spot closest to where the inbounder's opponent's foul occured.

Chuck

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
shawn, we were told at our interpretation meeting for HS that the ball is put in play at the spot closest to where the ball was at the time of the simultaneous fouls.

Freakin' IAABO officials-grumble,grumble,grumble..
Could screw up a wet dream!

The spot for the throw in is determined by where the team not entitled to the AP commits their foul i.e.-if A has the arrow,the throw in is closest OOB spot to B's foul.

See interpretations on NFHS web site.This is #12.





[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 11th, 2002 at 05:47 PM]

[shawnwil]

I think that you are thinking of Double Personal Fouls, but a simultaneous foul is not an AP situation.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
See interpretations on NFHS web site.This is #12.

I will definitely do that. Thanks for the heads-up. I will pass it along to my interpreter.

Chuck

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by shawnwil
a simultaneous foul is not an AP situation.

Are you sure? I really really really thought it was an AP situation in Fed.

Chuck

[BktBallRef]

shawnwil, welcome to the board!

First piece of advice - learn who to disagree with. JurassicRef has been doing this since before most of us were born!

Simulataneous technical or personal fouls always result in going to the AP arrow. Read 6-3-3.

[shawnwil]

I do stand corrected. I do apologize for my error.


I KNOW THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, ONE WOULD HAPPEN FIRST!

THANKS AGAIN AND PLEASE FORGIVE FOR CHALLENGING YOU MR. JURASSICREF. I AM HUMBLED.

[Edited by shawnwil on Nov 11th, 2002 at 07:47 PM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by shawnwil
I do stand corrected. I do apologize for my error.


I KNOW THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, ONE WOULD HAPPEN FIRST!

THANKS AGAIN AND PLEASE FORGIVE FOR CHALLENGING YOU MR. JURASSICREF. I AM HUMBLED.

[Edited by shawnwil on Nov 11th, 2002 at 07:47 PM]

In the real world,simultaneous fouls do not exist.They are as extinct as I am.

Btw,don't ever stop challenging answers if you're not sure.I've been wrong before.I'll be wrong again.I'm still learning too,and guys on this board have taught me a few things.

Welcome to the board.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
First piece of advice - learn who to disagree with. JurassicRef has been doing this since before most of us were born!

Isn't this where someone(Dan,mick,Chuck,etc)jumps in and says that there is a difference between doing this a long time and doing this RIGHT a long time?

My money's on Chuck(coughfreakingRedSoxfancough).

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Isn't this where someone(Dan,mick,Chuck,etc)jumps in and says that there is a difference between doing this a long time and doing this RIGHT a long time?

My money's on Chuck(coughfreakingRedSoxfancough).

Normally yes, but this is "Be Kind to Crusty Old Geezers Month", so we're takin' it easy on ya.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
See interpretations on NFHS web site. This is #12.

Ok, I went to the website. It's on the website, and the website definitely says that it's the spot closest to the opponent's foul (same as NCAA). So why doesn't the rulebook say it?

In any case, thanks for pointing it out JR (winner of October's "Old Geezer of the Month Award"!!)

Here's a picture of JR:



Chuck

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias


Here's a picture of JR:

Hey JR! You've lost weight!!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Hey JR! You've lost weight!!

...and I see the hair transplant aint working out