Traveling

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Before it is a travelling violation the player has to fail to maintain the pivot foot. Just dropping to one knee does not mean the player failed to maintain the pivot foot in NCAA.

Case Book A.R. 117.3
"When a player falls to one knee while holding the ball, it is traveling if the pivot foot moves."
(Rule 4-70.6 and 4-70.1)

And you did notice, "because it is virtually impossible not to move the pivot foot when falling to the playing floor" in the ruling on 1 & 2?

[Jfpdi]

1. refers to falling to the floor while holding the ball without maintaining a pivot foot, which of course is a violation.

2. states the player dropped to both knees without maintaining a pivot foot, of course a violation.

Yes it states it is vitually impossible to fall and maintain a pivot foot, but all 3 state that the pivot foot must move for the violation to occur. Just dropping to one knee does not mean that the pivot foot moved.

I believe this was also a quiz in a recent "Referee" magazine and it did distinguish between Fed and NCAA interpretations on dropping to one knee. Fed it is a travel violation. In NCAA the pivot foot must move.

[tref]

Gotcha! So in HS its automatic & NCAA its a judgment call...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

Gotcha! So in HS its automatic & NCAA its a judgment call...

It might be a judgment call in NCAA but it's also automatic. Traveling is called. It's the expected and accepted call.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It might be a judgment call in NCAA but it's also automatic. Traveling is called. It's the expected and accepted call.

Yes, that is one rule that the fanatics seem to comprehend

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

1. refers to falling to the floor while holding the ball without maintaining a pivot foot, which of course is a violation.

2. states the player dropped to both knees without maintaining a pivot foot, of course a violation.

Yes it states it is vitually impossible to fall and maintain a pivot foot, but all 3 state that the pivot foot must move for the violation to occur. Just dropping to one knee does not mean that the pivot foot moved.

I believe this was also a quiz in a recent "Referee" magazine and it did distinguish between Fed and NCAA interpretations on dropping to one knee. Fed it is a travel violation. In NCAA the pivot foot must move.

Agreed.

FED rules are the standard here, unless something else is specified (which you did)