Tumbling/traveling

[Loudwhistle]

How about this: a player is falling down, after their hip hits the floor, the ball bounces into their hands, they go all the way to the floor. All of this happens kind of like a tree falling in the forest. Hip hits, ball is caught, shoulder slams into floor. Travel?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

How about this: a player is falling down, after their hip hits the floor, the ball bounces into their hands, they go all the way to the floor. All of this happens kind of like a tree falling in the forest. Hip hits, ball is caught, shoulder slams into floor. Travel?

In real time, this would be too close to call. Even in slow motion, I've got nothing. With the hip down, he's good to slide and land however is natural.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In real time, this would be too close to call. Even in slow motion, I've got nothing. With the hip down, he's good to slide and land however is natural.

Agree,
I passed on it, my partner called traveling.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

How about this: a player is falling down, after their hip hits the floor, the ball bounces into their hands, they go all the way to the floor. All of this happens kind of like a tree falling in the forest. Hip hits, ball is caught, shoulder slams into floor. Travel?

It's a travel to touch the ground with anything other than the foot / hand after holding the ball. Since the player already had the hip on the floor, he can't travel by gathering the ball and touching the floor with other the shoulder / arm / leg, etc.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's a travel to touch the ground with anything other than the foot / hand after holding the ball. Since the player already had the hip on the floor, he can't travel by gathering the ball and touching the floor with other the shoulder / arm / leg, etc.

That underlined part is my hang up, I saw the hip as being the "pivot" but I can't find where it says that the hip can be a pivot, but I know a player can sit up with the ball while laying flat on their back and its not traveling, so it made me think that this isn't traveling since the hip hit first then the ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

That underlined part is my hang up, I saw the hip as being the "pivot" but I can't find where it says that the hip can be a pivot, but I know a player can sit up with the ball while laying flat on their back and its not traveling, so it made me think that this isn't traveling since the hip hit first then the ball.

You cannot find anything because there is no such thing. Do not try to make a rule out of what you "think" is a definition.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

That underlined part is my hang up, I saw the hip as being the "pivot" but I can't find where it says that the hip can be a pivot, but I know a player can sit up with the ball while laying flat on their back and its not traveling, so it made me think that this isn't traveling since the hip hit first then the ball.

Nothing but a foot can be a pivot, in spite of some cute jokes to the contrary.
Something other that hand or foot touching when player gains control, no travel unless player attempts to get up. What constitutes an attempt to get up is a bit of a gray area. Use your best judgment.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by loudwhistle

how about this: A player is falling down, after their hip hits the floor, the ball bounces into their hands, they go all the way to the floor. All of this happens kind of like a tree falling in the forest. Hip hits, ball is caught, shoulder slams into floor. Travel?

.... Yes!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

How about this: a player is falling down, after their hip hits the floor, the ball bounces into their hands, they go all the way to the floor. All of this happens kind of like a tree falling in the forest. Hip hits, ball is caught, shoulder slams into floor. Travel?

Unless it is extremely clear that the player had possession before he hit the ground, let this go. And this would be the same in my opinion when it comes to establishing a pivot foot. Possession as to be clear before I say that has been established.

Peace