NFHS rules on scoring into an opponent's goal

[bearclause]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

It's not a shot. A shot can only be taken at your own basket. It's just a ball that goes through the basket that counts as two points.

Yeah - I know. However - I've been going over one particular rulebook and the term used is almost always "try".

So technically - the "goal" counted.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bearclause

Yeah - I know. However - I've been going over one particular rulebook and the term used is almost always "try".

And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

[26 Year Gap]

In days gone by, a basket was credited to the player closest to the basket. Just like in the olden days of soccer when 'own goals' were credited to the last offensive player to touch the ball. The footnote is something that occurred during the gap, I believe.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

This is true at the NFHS, NCAA, and NBA level.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

I believe in NBA rules, a try at the wrong goal is a violation.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

I believe in NBA rules, a try at the wrong goal is a violation.

Yes, it is a violation to intentionally shoot at the wrong goal. This violation was called when Nate Robinson tried it a couple of years ago at the end of the quarter.

[BillyMac]

Black 23 has a white undershirt. Penalty: Hanged, drawn and quartered.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Yes, it is a violation to intentionally shoot at the wrong goal. This violation was called when Nate Robinson tried it a couple of years ago at the end of the quarter.

Interesting, is the rule worded so that any attempt at the wrong basket is a violation; or only those where the player knows it's the wrong basket?

[sseltser]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting, is the rule worded so that any attempt at the wrong basket is a violation; or only those where the player knows it's the wrong basket?

2 things:

I thought that Robinson's "shot" was a fraction of a second after the horn, which is why id didn't count. Maybe a violation was called, but I don't remember it.

I think the purpose of the violation is to prevent players from getting the phantom 10th rebound when nobody is around to complete their triple or double - double.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by sseltser

2 things:

I thought that Robinson's "shot" was a fraction of a second after the horn, which is why id didn't count. Maybe a violation was called, but I don't remember it.

I think the purpose of the violation is to prevent players from getting the phantom 10th rebound when nobody is around to complete their triple or double - double.

But, if it isn't a try, then there cannot be a rebound.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting, is the rule worded so that any attempt at the wrong basket is a violation; or only those where the player knows it's the wrong basket?

NBA
Rule 5, Section I

d. A field goal accidentally scored in an opponent’s basket shall be added to the opponent’s score, credited to the opposing player nearest the player whose actions caused the ball to enter the basket.

e. It is a violation for a player to attempt a field goal at an opponent’s basket. The opposing team will be awarded the ball at the free throw line extended.

sselter, you may be correct when you say the play was after the buzzer. But that play would of most definitely been waved off if there was more time on the clock.

26, you're right in that it wouldn't be counted as a rebound. There was a situation in the NBA, a few years back where Ricky Davis was attempting to get the last rebound for a triple double and tried tossing it off an opponent's basket thinking he'd get a rebound for it.



Interesting enough, this should of been a traveling violation since he picked up the pivot foot before he released the ball for a dribble. And sorry for the lame music in the video.

[bearclause]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting, is the rule worded so that any attempt at the wrong basket is a violation; or only those where the player knows it's the wrong basket?

I was looking up the NCAA rules, and they have some interesting language on this possibility, if they inadvertently go in the wrong direction. Apparently any scoring that happened in the wrong baskets count as if they had gone in the correct direction.

Rule 5. Section 1. Art. 3. When the official(s) permits a team to go in the wrong direction, and when the error is discovered all activity and time consumed shall count as though each team had gone in the proper direction. Play shall be resumed with each team going in the proper direction.

Sounds somewhat like I heard the way baseball used to operate in its infancy, although the BB rule seems to state it would be inadvertent to allow players to "choose" the wrong direction. If the bases were empty a batter could optionally head for 1st base or 3rd base. Once the bases had players, they went in a defined direction until the bases were cleared.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bearclause

If the bases were empty a batter could optionally head for 1st base or 3rd base.

Certainly takes one advantage of being a left handed hitter away.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bearclause

I was looking up the NCAA rules, and they have some interesting language on this possibility, if they inadvertently go in the wrong direction. Apparently any scoring that happened in the wrong baskets count as if they had gone in the correct direction.

Yep, and the rule is the same in high school (NFHS).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bearclause

... the term used is almost always "try".

That's the point. It's not in this case.