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bearclause Sat Jan 29, 2011 04:43pm

NFHS rules on scoring into an opponent's goal
 
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I looked at the NCAA rules, and it would appear to be a legal score for the opposing team of the player who the ball bounced off of before going through the basket, with the caveat that the score is not credited to any particular player with a footnote made in the scorebook. I also found it interesting that an opponent scoring a goal for the other team is always two points no matter where the last contact is.

Is the rule (about the shot being legal and the points not credited to any player) the same under NFHS rules?

APG Sat Jan 29, 2011 04:44pm

Yes. Anytime a live ball enters the hoop, points are credited to the appropriate team.

bearclause Sat Jan 29, 2011 05:25pm

So under NFHS rules, no player is credited with the score, correct?

If you check the comments there, a lot of people think that the score is credited to the closest inbounds offensive player.

APG Sat Jan 29, 2011 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by bearclause (Post 723296)
So under NFHS rules, no player is credited with the score, correct?

If you check the comments there, a lot of people think that the score is credited to the closest inbounds offensive player.

That is correct under NFHS rules.

People think it's credited to the closest offensive player because that's the NBA rule.

NBA
Rule 5, Section I

d. A field goal accidentally scored in an opponent’s basket shall be added to the opponent’s score, credited to the opposing player nearest the player whose actions caused the ball to enter the basket.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 29, 2011 06:43pm

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Originally Posted by bearclause (Post 723283)
Is the rule (about the shot being legal and the points not credited to any player) the same under NFHS rules?

It's not a shot. A shot can only be taken at your own basket. It's just a ball that goes through the basket that counts as two points.

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 29, 2011 07:09pm

I worked a full day of "a" (not even "A") girl's basketball yesterday. The games are only 20 minutes long. On one play, a girl scored into her opponent's basket and was almost fouled on the "shot", too.

To keep my mind active during these held-ball contests, I went through the implications of actually being fouled when shooting into the opponent's basket. Fun times.

bearclause Sat Jan 29, 2011 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 723330)
It's not a shot. A shot can only be taken at your own basket. It's just a ball that goes through the basket that counts as two points.

Yeah - I know. However - I've been going over one particular rulebook and the term used is almost always "try".

So technically - the "goal" counted.....

Adam Sat Jan 29, 2011 07:58pm

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Originally Posted by bearclause (Post 723349)
Yeah - I know. However - I've been going over one particular rulebook and the term used is almost always "try".

And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

26 Year Gap Sat Jan 29, 2011 08:06pm

In days gone by, a basket was credited to the player closest to the basket. Just like in the olden days of soccer when 'own goals' were credited to the last offensive player to touch the ball. The footnote is something that occurred during the gap, I believe.

APG Sat Jan 29, 2011 09:13pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 723356)
And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

This is true at the NFHS, NCAA, and NBA level.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bearclause (Post 723349)
... the term used is almost always "try".

That's the point. It's not in this case.

Stat-Man Sun Jan 30, 2011 01:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 723356)
And a try is, by definition, towards the player's own basket. Anything towards the wrong basket is simply a thrown ball.

The key with the definition is, if time expires prior to the ball going through the "wrong" basket, it doesn't count. Same if there's a foul on the "shooter" at the wrong basket. Ball is dead, and the player is not considered in the act of shooting when he's fouled. Ball out of bounds for a throw-in unless the bonus is in effect.

I'm not aware this differs at any level.

I believe in NBA rules, a try at the wrong goal is a violation.

APG Sun Jan 30, 2011 01:56am

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 723456)
I believe in NBA rules, a try at the wrong goal is a violation.

Yes, it is a violation to intentionally shoot at the wrong goal. This violation was called when Nate Robinson tried it a couple of years ago at the end of the quarter.

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Adam Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:37am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 723464)
Yes, it is a violation to intentionally shoot at the wrong goal. This violation was called when Nate Robinson tried it a couple of years ago at the end of the quarter.

Interesting, is the rule worded so that any attempt at the wrong basket is a violation; or only those where the player knows it's the wrong basket?


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