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Thu Jan 27, 2011, 11:39pm
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Tonight during a JV girls game (two whistle game) I was trail and my partner lead. There was a play at the baseline on my side of the floor. The ball is swatted from A1 hand by B1 and OOB on the baseline. My partner (lead his whistle) blows the whistle then makes eye contact with me and gives me the deer in the head lights look. I never blow my whistle or say anything but I give him a point to the baseline to help him in the direction the ball should be going. He then points the other direction. Crowd grumbles a little bit. He then blows his whistle and comes over to me saying "I didn't get a good look, what did you have." I let him know and he mad the right call and switched the direction.
My question is, should I have been vocal and came running in? should I not have pointed? Should I have just imediatly met with him to discuss it? 
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Thu Jan 27, 2011, 11:47pm
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If my partner gives me a "deer in the headlight" look asking for help, then I'm yelling whose ball it is and pointing in the correct direction. No need to get together.
The only time I'll get together with a partner is if he/she makes a call that I know is wrong. I'll go to him and offer him information and hope he changes his call.
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Thu Jan 27, 2011, 11:48pm
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If he doesn't know, he'll go thumbs up, indicating an AP throw in. Pregame this from now on. The only time I'll get together with my partner on an OOB call is if I have definite knowledge that my partner made the wrong call.
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Thu Jan 27, 2011, 11:49pm
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 12:00am
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Yes I do the same. But this time with me pointing and then him pointing the other direction led me to think I did something wrong. I think by what I'm gathering is I could have been vocal on top of the point to offer him the help. It just looks bad when officials point in two different directions. Hmmm maybe I just hesitated on my help a split second to long and he just guessed a direction while I was pointing???
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 12:07am
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The calling official asks for help on this play, we're going with his call or AP if he's not sure. Period. That's it...no guessing on his part at this point. You're right that it looks bad if he points opposite of you after he asked you for help.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 08:24am
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Do the same thing here.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 08:30am
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Another blasphemous moment here:
It would likely be a cold day in hell before we go with an AP on a play like this. I'm putting all the pieces of what I saw together and making the best call I can based on the evidence UNLESS I see absolutely nothing. I filled in for the fourth quarter of a JV game the other day and my partner did a great job except for the ball that got knocked out of bounds where he went straight to an alternating possession. Didn't ask me for help, didn't hesitate, just put two thumbs in the air. At the time, the score was 65-19. If it was that close and he was that unsure, he could've found a way to give the possession to the team down by 46 points with 3 minutes left in the game (or he could've asked me for help) instead of coming up with a call that nobody expected.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 11:39am
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If he's not sure, he can hit his whistle, put his hand up, kill the play and yell "help". This comes up every now and again in 3 person, why not in 2?
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 12:07pm
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 01:11pm
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Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 01:28pm
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Fri Jan 28, 2011, 06:21pm
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From My Pregame ...
For out-of-bounds help, let's get it right. If I have no idea and I look to you for help, just give a directional signal.
No need to come to me, just point. If you don't know, give me a jump ball signal. If I signal but I get it wrong then blow the whistle and come to me. Tell me what you saw and let me decide if I’m going to change it.
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