Assistant Coach in the stands

[tref]

Cool, thanks!! And if he joins a huddle in the 2nd half, I ask the coach who he is. He says assistant coach... whack? He says parent... GM tosses?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by splitveer

Last night we had an interesting situation. About a minute before the game starts an assistant coach walks around the floor and walks up to the top bleacher in the crowd. Then at halftime he comes down and gives information to the coaching staff. He then comes back and sits down on the bench in the second half. To my understanding he would be bench personnel and cannot leave the bench area for any unauthorized reason. So, do we assess an unsporting technical? What if the coach does not come down on the bench in the second half and stays in the stands?

The assistant coach is covered under rule 10-4. Under that, he is covered for unsporting conduct anywhere. Afaik there's no rule covering non-unsporting conduct while he's sitting in the stands or having a dump. The only restriction that I know of when he's in the stands is communicating electronically with the bench(10-1-3) or unacceptable fan behavior.

Don't make up your own rules. If you think it's a problem, kick it up the ladder and let the powers-that-be decide what to do. That's their job, not your's.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Cool, thanks!! And if he joins a huddle in the 2nd half, I ask the coach who he is. He says assistant coach... whack? He says parent... GM tosses?

What are you going to whack for at this point?

[tref]

For his comments at the half now that I know he's an assistant

Seriously though, ACs dont have to sit in the bench area & can join t/o huddles anytime during the course of the game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

For his comments at the half now that I know he's an assistant

Seriously though, ACs dont have to sit in the bench area & can join t/o huddles anytime during the course of the game?

We do not know who is an assistant unless they are acting as one. So unless they are sitting at the bench area how are we to know what their ultimate role is on the team? How would I know a player that is on the team unless they are sitting on the bench. I think you are overthinking this IMHO.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

For his comments at the half now that I know he's an assistant

Seriously though, ACs dont have to sit in the bench area & can join t/o huddles anytime during the course of the game?

Nah. Like I said, if a fan curses at me in the hallway then shows up on the bench during the 2nd half. Short leash.

And no, that's not what I said. Once he's on the bench or in the huddle, he stays there (with some exceptional circumstances exempted). If, however, I notice a pattern, I'll inform the coach:
"Only bench personnel are allowed in the huddle, and anyone from the bench who leaves the bench area during the game earns a technical foul. Choose now whether this person is a fan or an AC."

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nah. Like I said, if a fan curses at me in the hallway then shows up on the bench during the 2nd half. Short leash.

And no, that's not what I said. Once he's on the bench or in the huddle, he stays there (with some exceptional circumstances exempted). If, however, I notice a patter, I'll inform the coach:
"Only bench personnel are allowed in the huddle, and anyone from the bench who leaves the bench area during the game earns a technical foul. Choose now whether this person is a fan or an AC."

You mean like the 'patter' of little feet?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

You mean like the 'patter' of little feet?

Yeah, sure.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here is the problem. Unless we know the status of a coach with a team we have no idea what they are or what they are not. The only way most of us would know who an assistant coach was if at one time during the game they were sitting on or near the bench. So if that person leaves the bench then we would easily know they are associated with the team in some way. And this was a new rule/clarification that team members need to be near their bench area and cannot leave during the game. So in this situation it seems like there is a violation of the rule and can be penalized. (10-3-6l and 10-5-5)

Peace

10-3-6 deals with players and 10-5-5 refers to team members which an AC does not fit the description of unless they are a player-coach.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nah. Like I said, if a fan curses at me in the hallway then shows up on the bench during the 2nd half. Short leash.

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If he is bench personnel as we get ready to start the 2nd half I have no problem whacking him before we start the second half. He's not going to get a free run at me in hallway because he was sitting in the stands in the first half.

I see him sitting on the bench before the ball becomes live I'm gonna ask the HC if that person is part of his bench personnel. If "yes" he gets whacked for cursing me in the hallway, if "no" then he needs to leave the bench area.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If he is bench personnel as we get ready to start the 2nd half I have no problem whacking him before we start the second half. He's not going to get a free run at me in hallway because he was sitting in the stands in the first half.

I see him sitting on the bench before the ball becomes live I'm gonna ask the HC if that person is part of his bench personnel. If "yes" he gets whacked for cursing me in the hallway, if "no" then he needs to leave the bench area.

I like, I like!

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If he is bench personnel as we get ready to start the 2nd half I have no problem whacking him before we start the second half. He's not going to get a free run at me in hallway because he was sitting in the stands in the first half.

I see him sitting on the bench before the ball becomes live I'm gonna ask the HC if that person is part of his bench personnel. If "yes" he gets whacked for cursing me in the hallway, if "no" then he needs to leave the bench area.

Anyone else think of the scene from Hoosiers where the AC stumbles into the gym mid-game and gets T'ed for being drunk after the coach "It's ok, he's my assistant."?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Only bench personnel are allowed in the huddle, and anyone from the bench who leaves the bench area during the game earns a technical foul.

Where can we find this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Where can we find this?

Hmmm. Interesting point. We've obviously talked about team members not leaving the area, but I'm not sure if it says who's allowed in the huddles.

Might be a 2-3 issue, not sure, but I'd have a hard time with a fan coming down to join the huddle every timeout. I think would provide/allow an advantage not intended by the rules.