First "T" for this year

[dsqrddgd909]

Without looking at all the other replies, I would have passed.

Edit: Re-read the OP. Missed the yelled at me part.
I would call it.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

Without looking at all the other replies, I would have passed.

If he yells this in your face you really have no choice but to whack'em!

[RookieDude]

It's interesting to read/see the different tolerances of different officials...weather reading scenarios here or actually watching officials in real live games.

Since we are presently talking about handing out Ts (or not)...here is a scenario to consider:

Your partner calls a shooting foul. While s/he is going to report the foul...you go to Lead to administer the FT. A player is holding the ball, but as you approach...the player either places the ball on the floor or simply rolls it away.

What do you do?

If you want some rule guidance (or not)...10-3-5b

[RobbyinTN]

I have only called one T this year. There were probably times I could have whacked a player or coach but I choose to talk with them instead. I think it serves the same purpose in many ways. I have no problem issuing a T if after a verbal warning, the situation continues. Of course there are those situations that warrant a T immediately. I look at each situation individually. basketball is a competitive sport and this emotions run high - sometimes a warning will put those emotions in check and sometimes it won't.

In the case of the OP, while I like to verbally warn first, if a player yells at me, this is an automatic T. My verbal warning is then that a second T will result in ejection

[rockyroad]

I gave out 4 T's last week! That's more than I usually have in a season...3 on Coaches: 1) Freshman Boys coach 8 feet out on the court screaming at my partner on an over-and-back call...2)Varsity Boys coach "You three should be ashamed at how badly you are screwing us"...3)Varsity Girls coach chasing my partner down the sideline giving him the big wave-off behind his back. 1 on a player for shoving opponent after the whistle as partner is going to table to report foul.

Weird week...

[Eastshire]

I haven't given a T in years but in soccer I hand out yellow cards like candy on Halloween. I wonder how much the other sports you work effect your tolerance. I've only told a coach to knock it off once all season in basketball. Could it be that the level of complaining I receive in soccer has made me too insensitive for basketball?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

It's interesting to read/see the different tolerances of different officials...weather reading scenarios here or actually watching officials in real live games.

Since we are presently talking about handing out Ts (or not)...here is a scenario to consider:

Your partner calls a shooting foul. While s/he is going to report the foul...you go to Lead to administer the FT. A player is holding the ball, but as you approach...the player either places the ball on the floor or simply rolls it away.

What do you do?

If you want some rule guidance (or not)...10-3-5b

Well, since nobody...yet...wants to answer my question...I will.

If a player sets the ball down or rolls it away...I give them a chance to go get it. I don't think I have ever had a player not do what I instructed them to do.

I did, however, have to whack a player the other night.

My partner had called a shooting foul on a player. As I was approaching L to administer the FT...said player looked at me and rolled the ball away. I smiply said, "go get it"...I then turned to the players, on the line, and advised them "to give the ball to the official". As I turned around the player underhand threw the ball to me with...let us say, with some considerable force.
I guess I was feeling extra nice this night...because I was only going to let this H.S. kid off with a warning on how to give the ball to an official. As I started to inform the boy...he interupted and said, "I didn't do nothin'". Again, I was being extra nice (for me)...and started to speak, he said "I didn't do nothin'". I calmly dropped the ball...picked up my whistle...and WHACK! As I approached the table the Coach looked at me and said, "I have a player replacing him."

The coach didn't put the "whacked" player in the rest of the 1st half.

At halftime...the AD let us in the lockeroom...and I said to him, smiling, "hey, I'm not really being grouchy tonight." He said, "this kid is like that all the time in school, he back talks the teachers ALOT, he has an attitude problem."

The coach did not put this player in the rest of the game. His team did win the game...but, it was with no help from this player.

After the game...the coach was walking through our "dressing room" and I just said, "Hey Coach, you didn't really have to keep that kid out the whole game, unless you just wanted to." He said, "Yeah, but that kid needs some discipline...I knew you were going to get him and I had a player going to the table when he threw that ball to you." He thanked me and away we went.

I later heard that this kid is the starting QB and is mouthy in football as well.

Hopefully, this will turn out to be a positive learning experience for him...we can only hope.

[Adam]

Last season (I think), right after a TO call in a JVB game, A1 decides to take a three point shot rather than give the ball to my partner, who was asking for the ball. He launches the shot, then heads for his bench. My partner gave him two chances to get the ball, which he ignored.

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[biggravy]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

It's interesting to read/see the different tolerances of different officials...weather reading scenarios here or actually watching officials in real live games.

Since we are presently talking about handing out Ts (or not)...here is a scenario to consider:

Your partner calls a shooting foul. While s/he is going to report the foul...you go to Lead to administer the FT. A player is holding the ball, but as you approach...the player either places the ball on the floor or simply rolls it away.

What do you do?

If you want some rule guidance (or not)...10-3-5b

Many seasons ago I handed out a T for this very thing. Called a travel on A1, the 'star' point guard. She rolled her eyes and turned to head up the court, me standing 5 feet away hands out for the ball. She tossed it across the gym. Whack. Coach asked why and when told nodded her head. At the same time, had one this year looking right at me and dropped the ball to the floor. Told him to get it, he did, no T.

As to the general discussion: I am not T happy. This year, one to a player, one to a HC both for unsporting behavior. In my area we are CONSTANTLY told by the state, our assignor, and our area supervisor that we don't penalize unsporting behavior nearly enough. I bet I hand out TEN for every ONE that is given by a partner. In the last five years, I have seen ONE that I didn't give out myself. I don't see how people get by without dealing with behavior problems. Lack of nuts is how I view the problem. I don't see what the big deal is. Someone acts like a clown, I penalize the behavior, we move on. I won't come across the floor to give one when my partner is standing right there, but sometimes it's hard! I see situations where I swear the coach is trying to get a T to fire their team up or whatever it is howler monkeys do. Nothing happens. Official lets coach stand ten feet out onto the court yell, scream, stomp, nothing happens. Crazy.