Chewing Gum

[PAULK1]

Dribble a little longer, dunk a little longer, stay in the paint a little longer.. longer with Big Red.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by scottk_61
To Mark,
In 1980 and 81, I called games in Ohio and gum as well as hard candy was banned.
Looking back through some old stuff, even back then Ohio emphasized the girls fingernails...which was years ahead of most states.
Maybe you weren't aruond then, I was in Southern Ohio then being a crossover official from another state.
There was also an emphasis back then on making the players keep their jerseys tucked in.

I don't know where you were in 80 and 81 but I know where I was.
The issue really stood out to me then, because I was relatively new to HS officiating and I didn't understand the rationale behind some of the rules at the time.
That is when I learned the phrase, "purpose and intent" in regard to rule development.

I have been a registered basketball official in Ohio since the 1971-72 school year and I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that the OhioHSAA does not ban players from chewing gum while playing basketball nor has it ever had such a ban in place in all of the years that I have been registered by the OhioHSAA. Anybody that told you in 1980 and 1981 that players could not chew gum in Ohio was wrong.

[scottk_61]

I have been a registered basketball official in Ohio since the 1971-72 school year and I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that the OhioHSAA does not ban players from chewing gum while playing basketball nor has it ever had such a ban in place in all of the years that I have been registered by the OhioHSAA. Anybody that told you in 1980 and 1981 that players could not chew gum in Ohio was wrong.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.


Ok, Mark
I was really in BFA and just decided to pick on Ohio.
Actually, it was a communist plot during the cold war.
I still dont' allow gum or hard candy and won't...feeling no pain for not allowing it and having great games.
Get over it, will ya?

[ChuckElias]

How is it possible that this thread has generated over 1130 views?!?!?! If only our rules discussions stayed this focused for 6 pages!

Chuck

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
How is it possible that this thread has generated over 1130 views?!?!?! If only our rules discussions stayed this focused for 6 pages!

Chuck

Basically,this has been a rules discussion-believe it or not.The question is whether there is a rule against a player chewing gum on the court.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
How is it possible that this thread has generated over 1130 views?!?!?! If only our rules discussions stayed this focused for 6 pages!

Chuck

Ist poster looked 64 times
2nd poster looked 63 times
3rd poster looked 62 times....

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by scottk_61
I have been a registered basketball official in Ohio since the 1971-72 school year and I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that the OhioHSAA does not ban players from chewing gum while playing basketball nor has it ever had such a ban in place in all of the years that I have been registered by the OhioHSAA. Anybody that told you in 1980 and 1981 that players could not chew gum in Ohio was wrong.
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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.


Ok, Mark
I was really in BFA and just decided to pick on Ohio.
Actually, it was a communist plot during the cold war.
I still dont' allow gum or hard candy and won't...feeling no pain for not allowing it and having great games.
Get over it, will ya?

First you state that you were an OhioHSAA registered basketball official in 1980 and 1981 and that the OhioHSAA prohibited players from chewing gum while playing. Now you state that you really were not registered by the OhioHSAA in 1980 and 1981 because you apparently were not anywhere near Ohio at that time.

And now you expect others to respect your argument that the "Elastic Clause" (NFHS R2-S3) as well as NFHS R3-S7 gives you the authority to not allow a player to participate in a basketball game while chewing gum. I do not think so. You have lost any credibility that you might have had when you lied about being registered by the OhioHSAA in 1980 and 1981. I am sorry, but I know that you have a lot to learn about the rules of basketball and, more importantly, you have a tremendous amount to learn about ethics and professionalism.

You owe this Discussion Forum an apology.

[BktBallRef]

And you owe the forum an apology for your arrogance.

First, he never said he was a registered official in Ohio. He stated he called some games in Ohio while living in a bordering state.

Second, his last post was obviously "tongue-in-cheek."

Third, did you call in every area of Ohio? Isn't it possible that some areas didn't allow gum? Of course it is. You don't know everything that goes on everywhere, even in Ohio.

You're so full of yourself sometimes.

Now, wanna talk about simultaneous personal fouls, Your Excellency?

[scottk_61]

M A R K ! ! ! !

RELAX, take a breath.........

Sorry to have overtaxed you brain with sarcasm.

Relax, breath, drop it because we are obviously never going to agree.
I believe you are within your view points and I know what I was told back then.
I know what other states have said, I know what I am going to do............
Breath........

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
And you owe the forum an apology for your arrogance.

First, he never said he was a registered official in Ohio. He stated he called some games in Ohio while living in a bordering state.

Second, his last post was obviously "tongue-in-cheek."

Third, did you call in every area of Ohio? Isn't it possible that some areas didn't allow gum? Of course it is. You don't know everything that goes on everywhere, even in Ohio.

You're so full of yourself sometimes.

Now, wanna talk about simultaneous personal fouls, Your Excellency?

1) To officiate in Ohio you must be registered with the OhioHSAA even if you live in a bordering state. Scott stated in his Oct. 24, 2002, 11:48pm, posting that he officiated in Ohio in 1980 and 1981. That implied he was registered by the OhioHSAA. After calling his bluff, he admitted in his Oct. 25, 2002, 11:04pm, posting that he did not officiate in Ohio. He told a lie in order to defend his position.

2) Who cares at this point if his response was tongue in cheek. He lied to support his position.

3) Since Dick Knox is your state's top basketball rules man, you should understand better that anybody, that there is only one set of NFHS rules and interpretations. OhioHSAA adheres to that policy. No local association can issue its own directive if it is in direct conflict with the rules. When a school from one area of Ohio plays at a school in another area of the state, the rules will be the same; no local association can impose an arbritary rule that is not in the rule book. And yes, over the years I have officiated H.S. games in the Northeast, Northwest, and Eastern Districts of the OhioHSAA as well have officiated with officials from every district in the state. And I belong to local officials association in both the NE and NW districts.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

3) Since Dick Knox is your state's top basketball rules man, you should understand better that anybody, that there is only one set of NFHS rules and interpretations.

I only want to take exception to one comment that you made. There might be only one interpretation based on what the NF thinks, but not necessarily what different associations or areas think. Someone that has officiated in Illinois and worked from the Mississippi River to Lake Michigan, that is not always true. There are very often times many rules that you have to modify or be careful calling. Especially those that are in an administrative category. And for you to make that comment really is incorrect. Now maybe you do not have that problem in Ohio, but in Illinois, we have over 700 IHSA Schools. From the city to the smallest of towns. All have different economic issues and area practices. So yes you will practice NF rules, but when a team has no number on the front of their jersey, you might not get a lot of support for calling a T on every player.

Peace

[Sleeper]

Isn't the purpose of the elastic clause to regulate things like gum, spandex, sansabelt slacks, rubber bands, hair scrunchies....

I enjoy the forum and learn a lot, but we sure get heated up about some weird things.

[scottk_61]

Mark, don't compound you confusion by insisting that I admitting lieing about anything.
I never, not once, check your message board, said I didn't work in Ohio.
I was registered, did officiate and call games in Ohio.
If you don't know what BFA is, sorry...it was a smart aleck response to something that really doesn't matter much at all.
I was a crossover official from Kentucky back then, and we did register with Ohio but not without difficulty as has happened when I lived in other state border areas.

You really need to take valium or something.......
Don't call anyone a liar, especially when you are having reading comprehension problems.
I have had way to much respect for you over the past years to let this get me p***ed at you.
You are wrong in this case, no big deal.
It doesn't change my attitude of who you are or what you are capable of.
LET IT GO, we are not going to agree but get your facts straight before you decide to go off on a tangent.

No more responses on the personal level will come from me.
If anyone wants to address the reasons why gum has been banned in areas that I was at or am at, I will gladly discuss them.

[zebraman]

I was reffing a rec game today and A1 goes in for a dunk while chewing gum. While in the air, he blows a bubble and the G-forces and wind resistance cause it the gum to wrap around his neck. On his way down, the gum gets caught in the net and he gets decapitated. The coach of Team A called time-out to try to keep his headless player in the game, but I felt that since he had lost his head he should have to sit until the clock ran. Then I realized that it was cinnamon gum so I called two technical fouls. I used the elastic powers of being the referee to apply the fouls as indirects against the head coach and sent him packing.

Did I get a little too militant? :-)

Z

[mick]

Originally posted by zebraman


Did I get a little too militant? :-)

Z-man,
Long weekend?

mick