Tech For The Student Section??

[chartrusepengui]

I'll bet he gives a T to the crowd everytime they yell "bullshirt" after he makes a call too.

The crowd pays $2.00 - $5.00 to get in. I'll let them get their admission's worth as long as it doesn't become too personal/crude etc. I treat them differently than bench personnel. The crowd is game management's problem as much as possible. I personally don't have a problem with "sunk it" or "bull.....", "blind man walking" etc ........

I have far greater things to worry about than that.

[26 Year Gap]

You have just done your first game with "That Guy".

[JFlores]

Fans do not exist.

*Congrats to my 100th post, 4 years in the making."

[RobbyinTN]

Sounds like the guy (1) worries too much about the crowd, (2) wants to show his authority and (3) is out of line.

I don't worry about the crowd as a whole. If it is one person or a small group I will inform game mangement that they need to handle the situation. When you as an official start interacting with the crowd, nothing good comes out of it IMHO.

[stripes]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS IS NOT GOLF. Fans are allowed to yell. If players can't hack it, they need to take up another sport, like golf. We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by stripes

We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

Not entirely true.

NFHS 2-8-1 gives us such authority, but the NOTE attached to it is very important. The key word there is "discretion."

Was the OP's situation "interfer(ing) with the proper conduct of the game?" I certainly don't think so. That "sunk it" chant sounds fine, but no cowbell during game play. (Sorry, Mr. Walken.)

Alert game management, let them deal with it, and if the artificial noisemaking persists, THEN consider a T.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by stripes

We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

As I was coming up through the ranks I had a senior P award a missed FT to a V player for disconcertion from an H fan all the way at the other end of the court. Really? It was amazing!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS IS NOT GOLF. Fans are allowed to yell. If players can't hack it, they need to take up another sport, like golf. We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

Sure, we have the authority. But it's generally better not to use it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS IS NOT GOLF. Fans are allowed to yell. If players can't hack it, they need to take up another sport, like golf. We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Not entirely true.

NFHS 2-8-1 gives us such authority, but the NOTE attached to it is very important. The key word there is "discretion."

Was the OP's situation "interfer(ing) with the proper conduct of the game?" I certainly don't think so. That "sunk it" chant sounds fine, but no cowbell during game play. (Sorry, Mr. Walken.)

Alert game management, let them deal with it, and if the artificial noisemaking persists, THEN consider a T.

To correct both of you, the official didn't penalize the crowd.

He penalized the team.

And while he CAN do it, he was WAY out of line.

[chseagle]

Here's a Sportsmanship/Fan Etiquette listing I found in a HS Basketball program:

1. Welcome visitors to your gym & treat them as guests!
2. Do not "boo" opponents or officials!
3. No chanting in poor taste or distractions during opposing introductions!
4. Always displayappreciation for good performance, even if it is by the opposing team!
5. Excercise self control & permit only POSITIVE sportsmanlike behavior-Don't accept swearing or negative comments about players or coaches in your rooting section!
6. Make an effort to know the rules of the contest!
7. Be supportive to all & this will greatly enhance your enjoyment of the contest!
8. General rules: NO noisemakers, NO signs, NO stomping/pounding on the bleachers, NO negative activity during player introductions, NO booing of officials/opponents.

How many on this list do you approve? Of those you disapprove of, why?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by stripes

I've said it before and I'll say it again...THIS IS NOT GOLF. Fans are allowed to yell. If players can't hack it, they need to take up another sport, like golf. We have no authority to penalize a crowd for something like this.

You do have authority to T up a team for unsportmanlike conduct of their fans. However, the rule book says you "may" enforce a Technical but strongly suggests otherwise. I've never T'd up a team because of their fans. I don't believe it helps things. I believe it will just make matters worse. Also, how do you know for sure it was the team's supporters? I would not put it past some kid to dress up like a fan for one team in hopes of getting a T called on that team. In my opinion it's best to NOT have rabitt ears and let game administration handle it as others have said.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by RobbyinTN

When you as an official start interacting with the crowd, nothing good comes out of it IMHO.

Not entirely true. BV game last night, 3 man crew (as they all are in WA) and I'm working with the #1 official in our association. He told me that his first varsity game (30 years ago) was at this very school. On that day back in history there were two older women that struck up a conversation with him before the game started. At one point they commented on his skin and bones appearance and asked him when he would be back at that school. The next time he showed up they had a big bag of homemade cookies and an apple pie for him. Those were the days.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

Not entirely true. BV game last night, 3 man crew (as they all are in WA) and I'm working with the #1 official in our association. He told me that his first varsity game (30 years ago) was at this very school. On that day back in history there were two older women that struck up a conversation with him before the game started. At one point they commented on his skin and bones appearance and asked him when he would be back at that school. The next time he showed up they had a big bag of homemade cookies and an apple pie for him. Those were the days.

After they made the pie - they hung up the bushel basket for the game!!

[GoodwillRef]

I would agree that there are times that you can talk to someone in the crowd and have fun with it...we are human that last time I checked. It must be the right time and the right situation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JFlores

Congrats to my 100th post, 4 years in the making.

Not sure if this qualifies you to be an esteemed member? Of course I post 100 times in a week and I'm not an esteemed member. Wonder why?