I wouldn't be talking if I were you. Earlier you said the ball becomes dead on the whistle when a foul is called. Even if I'm wrong on this, at least it is a complicated situation. You don't even know the fundamentals.

I never said that, that is just the situation being discussed.

No technical foul was called at all in post #6. We are talking about a different situation. You keep talking about the whistle. When the whistle occurred means nothing. The foul could be called without a whistle.

Hold on....you are mixing the two situations together. You need to stop picking and choosing which situation you talking about depending on which one makes you slightly look less stupid.

Nope. JR was discussing the wrinkle in several posts. He said some stupid things then tried to cover it up by saying he was talking about #6.

No I'm not. There is no time limit to go back and call a foul. But at some point it just becomes too long even though the rules still allow the foul to be called. Same thing with violations. No one is going to go back and call traveling from 5 minutes ago even though the rules allow it to be done.

You have to be 100% certain it was a deliberate subversion of fair play. The NFHS has made it clear that there are certain types of actions that are just not part of basketball and should not be permitted. For example, the barking dog distraction, on its own, is not obviously against any rule that I can find...but they want it whistled as a T. There are other examples. I view a purposeful attempt to cheat like this in the same vein....it doesn't belong in the game and should be addressed whether there is a specific rule against it or not. But again, you better be 100% sure.

That just about says it all...... again.

You can call a foul without a whistle and there's no time limit to go back and call that foul.

And the rules allow us to go back and call traveling from 5 minutes ago.

Do the rules also allow us to go back and call a foul or violation from last week?

You really aren't an official, are you?

Don't Poke The Bear ...
 

Cobra: After 150 posts I'm sure that you don't know who you're dealing with here. Gruff. Yes. Impatient? Yes. Condescending? Yes. Sarcastic? Yes. Handsome? Yes

"Don't even know the fundamentals"? Wrong. There are only four, or five, regular posters on the Forum that that have the basketball officiating knowledge that Jurassic Referee has. He's gonna be right 98% of the time.

Now I suggest that you don't make eye contact, and just back away slowly. Very slowly. He may spare your life.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:oseitFkBZmo-GM:

Agreed. But them other 2% can be a real, uh, bear. Yeah, that's the word.

I agree completely with this. From what was posted, IMHO, there isn't enough information to be 100% sure it was deliberate - there are other plausible explanations, and good reasons why any coach with half a brain that deliberately planned something like this would not make a statement like that which draws attention to it.

And it still doesn't address the fact that if the officials were doing their job in the first place it would never have happened anyway regardless of their intent.

Can someone please post the rules which state...

1) What the time limit to call a foul is after it occurs.
2) What the time limit to call a violation is after it occurs.
3) That a sounding the whistle is required for calling a foul.

Ok, thanks. But you must have missed it where he told us at what point the ball becomes dead when a foul is involved.

But you aren't contradicting yourself at all, are you?

So how do you - in your infinite wisdom and knowledge of the rules and how to apply them - decide when it has "become too long?"

Is it the same amount of time each game? Or does it change from Monday night's Girls Varsity to Tuesday night's Boys JV to Wednesday night's NAIA game?

What criteria do you use to decide when it has been too long?

And how many points are you willing to take off the board?

Have you followed - the last few years - the situations in NCAA games where officials allowed "do-overs"?

We all know that there is no specific rule-based time limit on calling most violations or fouls. But there is a point where it is just too late and that is part of the art of officiating.

The primary point which I'm trying to get across is that when several events happen close together, you don't have to beat the 2nd event with your whistle to penalize the first event. Why Jurassic was insisting that was the case and why that has been so difficult for others to accept, I have yet to figure out.

I thought I posted this somewhere earlier but I can't find so I'll ask again:

A1 steals B1's dribble and has a breakaway lay-up. While A1 is crossing the 3-point line Coach B says to you loudly "That was f**king horrible". You do not blow your whistle. A1 finishes his drive to the basket and makes a lay-up.

What is the proper administration of this play?

You then blow your whistle, issue the flagrant technical to Coach B, toss his butt out of the gym, administer the T and spend the rest of the game feeling good.

And wipe out the basket since his flagrant act made the ball dead? :D

Of course not. I said it before...there is a SPECIFIC case play that instructs us to wait until after the basket and then call the T. But that is a very specific case to prevent a coach/player form gaining an unfair advantage. The case leads you to the "right" result even if it actually contradicts the rules.

Well, isn't there a very specific case play involving the wrong team throwing in the ball and then scoring? It seems like folks are deciding to expand that very specific case play to a similar, but not the same, situation. The very specific case play involving the throw-in states specifically in which situation we can wipe out the points.

Cobra...I appreciate your enthusiasm.

What I do not appreciate is your disrespect for a guy that has helped more people on this forum than you can imagine.

You may be a big dog where you are from...but, JR is the big dog here.
Give him some respect, even if you don't agree with him, you will gain more respect that way.

(Do you see Camron, another big dog, giving him a lack of respect...even when he disagrees with him?)

There is a way to debate things...and then there is a way of getting into a pi$$ing match. You will get the respect you deserve here when you learn that...IMHO.