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just another ref Tue Jan 11, 2011 03:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 714399)
IOW if told by an official to eject a fan, it has to be done.


Says who?

chseagle Tue Jan 11, 2011 03:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 714413)
Says who?

So far I only know of one instance where this happened. V fan was overly-obnoxious concerning calls & officiating, officials stated either remove the fan or game will be forfeited for failure to control team/spectators.

This was by official's command so it was done with no questions asked.

So far I have only seen this 1 instance where an official requested that a fan be removed.

The fan was distracting attention away from the game due to comments that lead to play being halted.

Other than that, generally a PA announcement or stern warning from game management does the trick.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 11, 2011 07:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 714399)
IOW if told by an official to eject a fan, it has to be done. Otherwise the AD, Principal, or Vice Principal have the final say.

Nope, the referee has total jurisdiction over the actual running of the game from the time he appears on the court for warmups up until the time he disappears from view after the game. That includes anything to do with the actual conduct of the game including the involvement of fans, band, cheerleaders, teams, media, etc. It also very specifically includes all of the table crew.:eek: if we have any problem outside the lines, it's up to your cabal to fix those problems when asked.

Your AD, Principal and vice principal can sell tickets and popcorn though.

Sooooooo.....be very, very nice to Rookie Dude the next time he shows up. From your standpoint, he is God.

chseagle Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 714431)
Nope, the referee has total jurisdiction over the actual running of the game from the time he appears on the court for warmups up until the time he disappears from view after the game. That includes anything to do with the actual conduct of the game including the involvement of fans, band, cheerleaders, teams, media, etc. It also very specifically includes all of the table crew.:eek: if we have any problem outside the lines, it's up to your cabal to fix those problems when asked.

Your AD, Principal and vice principal can sell tickets and popcorn though.

Sooooooo.....be very, very nice to Rookie Dude the next time he shows up. From your standpoint, he is God.

I'm always nice to RookieDude, he can verify that fact.

I was meaning in circumstances where the officiating crew are involved because of the fan becoming too big of a disturbance where they take attention away from the game.

Generally though, if game management is doing things properly, it should not get to the point of attention being focused into the stands instead of on the court.

biggravy Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:57pm

Aaaaaaaaand chseagle wins and derails another thread
 
So lemme get this straight:

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. ChseagleDad
5. ChseagleMom
6. Chseagle
7. ChseagleWife

Do you all have shirts that say something like:

EAGLE
FAMILY
SECURITY
taser certified

chseagle Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggravy (Post 715222)
So lemme get this straight:

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. ChseagleDad
5. ChseagleMom
6. Chseagle
7. ChseagleWife

Do you all have shirts that say something like:

EAGLE
FAMILY
SECURITY
taser certified

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. The 4 of us are equal (depending on where located)

Our new shirts only say "event staff".

Camron Rust Thu Jan 13, 2011 04:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 715224)
4. The 4 of us are equal (depending on where located)

Think that if you want, but we know who is really the boss.

chartrusepengui Thu Jan 13, 2011 08:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggravy (Post 715222)
So lemme get this straight:

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. ChseagleDad
5. ChseagleMom
6. Chseagle
7. ChseagleWife

Wow - he put himself between Mom and Wife. Must be his personal protection!:D

letemplay Thu Jan 13, 2011 03:45pm

Trugrit?
 
BillyMac wrote:Who is this "Woody" that you speak of?

In the words of Rooster Cogburn: "I do not know this man"

BillyMac Thu Jan 13, 2011 03:52pm

Fill Your Hands You Son Of A ***** ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 715469)
BillyMac wrote:Who is this "Woody" that you speak of?

In the words of Rooster Cogburn: "I do not know this man"

True Grit. Good movie. Both of them.

(I guess that contractions weren't invented yet back in the 19th century?)

letemplay Thu Jan 13, 2011 04:15pm

I was surprised at the proper grammar.

26 Year Gap Thu Jan 13, 2011 05:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 715471)
True Grit. Good movie. Both of them.

(I guess that contactions weren't invented yet back in the 19th century?)

That word used to be longer, too.

Adam Thu Jan 13, 2011 05:22pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 715526)
That word used to be longer, too.

I can't figure out what's missring from it now, though.

Mark Padgett Thu Jan 13, 2011 05:34pm

Sounds like other states should pass a law like we have here in Oregon. If anyone - coach, player, spectator, etc. - is directed to leave a sports venue by an official and they do not leave, they are committing "criminal trespass" and the police can be called to remove the person and charge them with a class C misdemeanor.

I keep a copy of this bill in my bag along with a copy of the Oregon statute on assaulting a sports official, which is, at the very least, a class A misdemeanor, punishable by jail time. When this bill was under consideration by our state legislature a few years ago, I was asked to testify in the State Senate committee, which I did. I was told later by my State Senator that my testimony was very persuasive, and I like to think that I had at least something to do with this law being passed.

chseagle Thu Jan 13, 2011 06:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui (Post 715340)
Wow - he put himself between Mom and Wife. Must be his personal protection!:D

I wasn't the one that made up the original listing however.

As I stated in my follow up posting, the 4 of us are on equal footing as to the chain of command depending on where we are located.


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