Fan "showing up" the official
 

Last night I worked a not-so-close GV game. I think it ended 60-33 or something like that. The interesting part of the game was that the home (and winning) team played aggressive press/trap basketball all night long and the losing team essentially sat back in a zone and played no defense. We went the first 4 minutes of the game with no fouls and then the home team managed to pick up NINE in the last 4 minutes of the first quarter. At one point the foul total was 20-5 (13-4 in the first half and 7-1 in the second half). And in the second half we went the first five minutes without a foul.

To the home coach's credit, he never once said a word about this. Not that he was quiet all night, as I'll describe in a minute.

Anyway, the point of the thread.

I'm the T, 2-person. We're in transition and I come in strong and get a foul from behind on a shooter. I'm not sure why the home coach (who was up 20 at this point) decided to, in the words of Demi Moore, "strenuously object", but he did and I ended up having to address his crucifixion pose and his loud mouth after reporting the foul. Very strange. Let's say I did (which I didn't) miss the call. So what? He's up 20, the foul was the girl's first of the night, and the team had already committed 19 fouls. Anyway....

(All of the following was told to me by my partner. I had my back turned.)

As I'm reporting, apparently the ball rolled towards the bleachers at the division line. About a foot of space on the sides. Guy picks up the ball and holds it while I'm addressing the coach's interpretation of sportsmanship. Partner is still on the baseline supervising the players. He kept an eye on the guy with the ball, though, who decided to not return it right away. Eventually, my partner asked for the ball and the guy rolled it slowly to the other (empty) end of the court, where it had to be retrieved by game management.

Anyhow, I'll stop there to see how others would deal with this, if at all...

And I left my shoes at the school. So I'll make a trip this afternoon, since they're having a FT shooting contest there today (I'm glad I heard that announcement). Last week, I left my glasses at a school. It's worse getting older when I'm forgetful in the first place. Now it's just getting ridiculous....

If GM hadn't retrieved the ball, I would have sent a home player to get it.

Well, that's obvious. I (nor any official I work with) will not chase a basketball anywhere for any reason.

Call me a b@[email protected] fan is gone.

I was more focussed on picking the home player, but that's also about as far as I would have gone. If I said anything to game management, it would be along the lines of "deal with it however you see fit."

I would have stood there waiting for someone to retrieve the ball. Game mgmt should be aware that the fan rolled the ball to the other end of the court so I would let them deal with it.

Game management should of been involved way before the "fan" rolled the ball to the other end of the court.

Why? What did he do wrong before that?

Don't Taze Me Bro! ...
 

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The "fan" did not return the ball right away (aka DOG) as what should of been done.

Game Management should of seen the delay & went to get the ball before the official even asked.

I think I speak for us all when I say: :rolleyes:

+1

Huh?

The fan has nothing to do with delay of game.

But I agree that game management should address such an issue without having to be asked. Most times, they aren't paying attention to anything.

See ya buddy. Our entire province has a zero-tolerance on BS from fans, etc.

This is clearly BS.

Standing there, holding the ball, when no one has asked for it, is not delaying the game. He did nothing wrong until the official asked for the ball and he decided to be an a$$.

-1

I suppose you could have had game management give the guy a choice: Go get the ball or leave the gym.

Game management at small schools tends to be an athletic director who has more to do than be at our disposal every minute of the game. It's understood that if we need the AD, we get someone at the table to either radio the AD or find him.

My partner saw the AD in the corner and started walking towards him (I had already returned from reporting the foul). He said, "Where's the AD?" and the guy said, "Don't bother, I'm leaving" and he got up and left. Had he not, he would've been escorted out by the AD.

Hey, a polite, cooperative jerk. Gotta love it. :cool:

Probably didn't want to get booted for future games by the AD.

Last night I had what was (pretty much) a snoozefest. 60ish to 30ish, 3 person girls. Highlight of the night was when the winning coach said to me (with 1:30 left in the game), "You know, Rich, the game isn't over yet...." after one of those scrums in the paint so common in girls games where there's a lot of contact, but no fouls.

I tried not to laugh out loud.

Never happen, but I'd like to say to management, either he retrieves it or outta here.

Probably just ignore him.

Perhaps where you live but not here. For example, 2A school this past Friday, both the prinicpal and AD are present as well as 4 four sheriff's deputies. We won't start a game if security isn't present.

I'm sure more people are present, but I'm not made aware of them and I don't worry about it. I have seen security/deputies/police in place, but that's usually at the bigger/city schools.

Sometimes there is a lone sheriff's deputy on hand at games near here.

"Coach, unfortunately you are correct".

This guy always says crap like this at the end of games when we decide that contact on one of his precious players doesn't amount to a foul. The only part of it that annoys me is that I work 100% from the time we walk on the floor until the final horn and, for some reason, he's insinuating that we don't.

Call him out on it some time.

You're not alone then, because it seems that girls basketball games are the same no matter where you are. Emotional players, coaches, and especially fans.....more so than in boys games.

I've heard several coaches this year do this (usually girls coaches). They don't say much at all most of the game and then when they're down 15 with a minute left they start with these types of comments. Very annoying.

+1

Peace

The Sound Of Silence (Simon and Garfunkel) ...
 

I had just the opposite problem this year. Well not really a problem, not really annoying, but just downright odd. Small school girls varsity game. New head coach. Young woman, probably mid, late, twenties.

She doesn't say, "Boo", to us the entire game. Close out of bounds plays? Nothing. Close block charge situation? We could hear crickets chirping. Rough incidental contact puts her player on the floor? Nada. She sat on her bench almost the entire game, occasionally standing to coach her kids. Never said a word to us after the pregame coaches, and captains meeting. Not a single word. Really.

Sounds like a perfect situation. Right? Wrong. She was freaking me out. Really. She was freaking me out. I've been doing this for thirty years, and she was freaking me out with her silence. Thinking about blocking out her school next year. Man, she was really freaking me out.

I have the solution to your problem.




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Game management here is (as RookieDude knows) the AD, the Principal, Vice Principal, my wife, my mother, my father, & myself. That's for a WIAA 1A Classification school.

At least the guy was polite in leaving.

Does everybody get a vote? If so, why don't you vote the Principal and the Principal In Charge of Vice off the island and declare yourself king?

Do you have game film? I might have a certain someone close to me that would benefit domestically from this type of behavior!

Absolutely. Have game management escort him/her to the parking lot.

There's no need for a vote, as we have specific procedures that must be followed depending on the situation.

There's a set chain of command in place.

If a tree falls in the forest but no one hears it does the irony void the sarcasm? :confused:

...actually, I did not know we had so many Chiefs amongst so few Indians.;)

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Does everybody get a vote? If so, why don't you vote the Principal and the Principal In Charge of Vice off the island and declare yourself king?

(Woody...you are one guy I would like to have a brewsky with.):D

I'm currently having one for both of us, Dan. Even as we speak.....:D

Pray Tell ...
 

Who is this "Woody" that you speak of?

In North Carolina, it's spelled "Woddy". Just saying.....

The primary chiefs are the AD, Principal, & Vice Principal (it all depends who is closest to the situation).

Concerning fan ejections, the AD, principal, &/or Vice Principal have the final say unless told by an official.

Then who has the final say?

IOW if told by an official to eject a fan, it has to be done. Otherwise the AD, Principal, or Vice Principal have the final say.

Says who?

So far I only know of one instance where this happened. V fan was overly-obnoxious concerning calls & officiating, officials stated either remove the fan or game will be forfeited for failure to control team/spectators.

This was by official's command so it was done with no questions asked.

So far I have only seen this 1 instance where an official requested that a fan be removed.

The fan was distracting attention away from the game due to comments that lead to play being halted.

Other than that, generally a PA announcement or stern warning from game management does the trick.

Nope, the referee has total jurisdiction over the actual running of the game from the time he appears on the court for warmups up until the time he disappears from view after the game. That includes anything to do with the actual conduct of the game including the involvement of fans, band, cheerleaders, teams, media, etc. It also very specifically includes all of the table crew.:eek: if we have any problem outside the lines, it's up to your cabal to fix those problems when asked.

Your AD, Principal and vice principal can sell tickets and popcorn though.

Sooooooo.....be very, very nice to Rookie Dude the next time he shows up. From your standpoint, he is God.

I'm always nice to RookieDude, he can verify that fact.

I was meaning in circumstances where the officiating crew are involved because of the fan becoming too big of a disturbance where they take attention away from the game.

Generally though, if game management is doing things properly, it should not get to the point of attention being focused into the stands instead of on the court.

Aaaaaaaaand chseagle wins and derails another thread
 

So lemme get this straight:

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. ChseagleDad
5. ChseagleMom
6. Chseagle
7. ChseagleWife

Do you all have shirts that say something like:

taser certified

1. Principal
2. Asst. Principal
3. AD
4. The 4 of us are equal (depending on where located)

Our new shirts only say "event staff".

Think that if you want, but we know who is really the boss.

Wow - he put himself between Mom and Wife. Must be his personal protection!:D

Trugrit?
 

BillyMac wrote:Who is this "Woody" that you speak of?

In the words of Rooster Cogburn: "I do not know this man"

Fill Your Hands You Son Of A ***** ...
 

True Grit. Good movie. Both of them.

(I guess that contractions weren't invented yet back in the 19th century?)

I was surprised at the proper grammar.

That word used to be longer, too.

I can't figure out what's missring from it now, though.

Sounds like other states should pass a law like we have here in Oregon. If anyone - coach, player, spectator, etc. - is directed to leave a sports venue by an official and they do not leave, they are committing "criminal trespass" and the police can be called to remove the person and charge them with a class C misdemeanor.

I keep a copy of this bill in my bag along with a copy of the Oregon statute on assaulting a sports official, which is, at the very least, a class A misdemeanor, punishable by jail time. When this bill was under consideration by our state legislature a few years ago, I was asked to testify in the State Senate committee, which I did. I was told later by my State Senator that my testimony was very persuasive, and I like to think that I had at least something to do with this law being passed.

I wasn't the one that made up the original listing however.

As I stated in my follow up posting, the 4 of us are on equal footing as to the chain of command depending on where we are located.

Maybe we need you to come across the Columbia & help out up here to get similar legislation passed.

...you know...there seems to be some VERY funny and witty people on this forum.:D

I pledge, if I win a big MEGA lottery...I will fly a select amount of posters to a big party in Connell, WA. (chseagles hometown)

chseagle...you will sit at the head of the table...with your security staff of course.

(Sidenote: The WA winner of the latest big lottery is staying at my Wife's Ex-Mother-in-law's to keep away from the media etc. Pretty cool hey?)

Chseagle, you're married. You just think you're on equal footing as to the chain of command. Mrs. Chseagle knows better.

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Shut up.

Actually concerning security/crowd control, my wife may be older, but I have more experience.

The real funny thing is that Connell is not my hometown. I used to live there but not anymore.

Is the rail still there?