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[chseagle]

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

Originally Posted by deecee

what error are we setting ourselves up to? what shows on the scoreboard has no real relevance to the game. thats why we have a scorebook. the only book i need to be on is the one with my scorer, and they always know to tell me when we hit 6.

[chseagle]

I just sent an e-mail to both the WIAA Executive over basketball & the WOA Executive Director asking what the state's interpretation of the rule is.

I'll run a test Tuesday night as I have games that night, just to see what happens.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

NFHS rule 2-11-11 says we are supposed to trust the child doing scorebook for anything that is entered into the scorebook, including fouls, bonus free throws, etc. The scorebook is official. We trust the adult doing the scoreboard for timing purposes ONLY. That only thing that is official on the scoreboard is the time remaining.

Been that way forever under the rules.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

Hate to disappoint you, but no. The scorebook is official. If the two disagree, the last place I'm looking is the scoreboard.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by deecee

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

And I am telling you that if there is a discrepancy between the 2 and you or your partner don't know what the real answer should be, IT DOESNT MATTER WHO IS ON THE SCOREBOARD AND WHO IS ON THE BOOK, we go with the book.

This concept might be tough to get but it's the way it is, the way it has been, and the way it will be for the foreseeable future. If you think the book is incompetent then get someone else to do it, but for christ's sake don't disregard the book simply because you feel as though the clock operator is more reliable. If that's the case then switch the 2 and deal with a spotty clock operator.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by deecee

And I am telling you that if there is a discrepancy between the 2 and you or your partner don't know what the real answer should be, IT DOESNT MATTER WHO IS ON THE SCOREBOARD AND WHO IS ON THE BOOK, we go with the book.

This concept might be tough to get but it's the way it is, the way it has been, and the way it will be for the foreseeable future. If you think the book is incompetent then get someone else to do it, but for christ's sake don't disregard the book simply because you feel as though the clock operator is more reliable. If that's the case then switch the 2 and deal with a spotty clock operator.

Deecee,

I'm talking from experience as both a scorer & a timer concerning reliability. I am speaking from experience as a member of the table crew, not as a floor official. Not always will there be other personnel available to do the scorebook due to the inability to remain neutral at the table, or able to follow through with the scorer's duties/responsibilities.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Deecee,

I'm talking from experience as both a scorer & a timer concerning reliability. I am speaking from experience as a member of the table crew, not as a floor official. Not always will there be other personnel available to do the scorebook due to the inability to remain neutral at the table, or able to follow through with the scorer's duties/responsibilities.

His point is simple; if the discrepancy between the two is as vast as you suggest, switch them. I have never, ever, seen a situation that would require that, though.

And I would use the V book long before I'd consider overriding the book with information from the scoreboard.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

His point is simple; if the discrepancy between the two is as vast as you suggest, switch them. I have never, ever, seen a situation that would require that, though.

And I would use the V book long before I'd consider overriding the book with information from the scoreboard.

Hence why it's important that both scorebooks be in constant communication throughout the game concerning who scored, the running score totals, & fouls. However that doesn't always happen even after persistent reminders.

[chseagle]

I just got a response back from Cindy Adsit concerning rule 2-12-4 & the state's interpretation.

The response was: "Yes, the warning horn should be sounded unless both teams are already on the floor ready to begin the second half."

As I told her in my response back, I have never seen or heard it being done here, so starting Tuesday will be implementing it.

Which also means notifying the Varsity timer of the rule & the state's interpretation of it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Which also means notifying the Varsity timer of the rule & the state's interpretation of it.

No, I don't think it does.

What do you think the purpose of the rule is? That should tell you all you need to know to have it taken care of properly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

If the scorer was so inept that I'd be inclined to trust the scoreboard instead, I'd have that scorer replaced before problems arose.