Home V playing against neighboring C-Squad

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

Hate to disappoint you, but no. The scorebook is official. If the two disagree, the last place I'm looking is the scoreboard.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by deecee

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

And I am telling you that if there is a discrepancy between the 2 and you or your partner don't know what the real answer should be, IT DOESNT MATTER WHO IS ON THE SCOREBOARD AND WHO IS ON THE BOOK, we go with the book.

This concept might be tough to get but it's the way it is, the way it has been, and the way it will be for the foreseeable future. If you think the book is incompetent then get someone else to do it, but for christ's sake don't disregard the book simply because you feel as though the clock operator is more reliable. If that's the case then switch the 2 and deal with a spotty clock operator.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

If the scorer was so inept that I'd be inclined to trust the scoreboard instead, I'd have that scorer replaced before problems arose.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by deecee

And I am telling you that if there is a discrepancy between the 2 and you or your partner don't know what the real answer should be, IT DOESNT MATTER WHO IS ON THE SCOREBOARD AND WHO IS ON THE BOOK, we go with the book.

This concept might be tough to get but it's the way it is, the way it has been, and the way it will be for the foreseeable future. If you think the book is incompetent then get someone else to do it, but for christ's sake don't disregard the book simply because you feel as though the clock operator is more reliable. If that's the case then switch the 2 and deal with a spotty clock operator.

Deecee,

I'm talking from experience as both a scorer & a timer concerning reliability. I am speaking from experience as a member of the table crew, not as a floor official. Not always will there be other personnel available to do the scorebook due to the inability to remain neutral at the table, or able to follow through with the scorer's duties/responsibilities.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Deecee,

I'm talking from experience as both a scorer & a timer concerning reliability. I am speaking from experience as a member of the table crew, not as a floor official. Not always will there be other personnel available to do the scorebook due to the inability to remain neutral at the table, or able to follow through with the scorer's duties/responsibilities.

His point is simple; if the discrepancy between the two is as vast as you suggest, switch them. I have never, ever, seen a situation that would require that, though.

And I would use the V book long before I'd consider overriding the book with information from the scoreboard.

[chseagle]

I just got a response back from Cindy Adsit concerning rule 2-12-4 & the state's interpretation.

The response was: "Yes, the warning horn should be sounded unless both teams are already on the floor ready to begin the second half."

As I told her in my response back, I have never seen or heard it being done here, so starting Tuesday will be implementing it.

Which also means notifying the Varsity timer of the rule & the state's interpretation of it.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

His point is simple; if the discrepancy between the two is as vast as you suggest, switch them. I have never, ever, seen a situation that would require that, though.

And I would use the V book long before I'd consider overriding the book with information from the scoreboard.

Hence why it's important that both scorebooks be in constant communication throughout the game concerning who scored, the running score totals, & fouls. However that doesn't always happen even after persistent reminders.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Which also means notifying the Varsity timer of the rule & the state's interpretation of it.

No, I don't think it does.

What do you think the purpose of the rule is? That should tell you all you need to know to have it taken care of properly.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No, I don't think it does.

What do you think the purpose of the rule is? That should tell you all you need to know to have it taken care of properly.

A interpretation of the rule which is not being followed must be corrected though, correct?

The Varsity timer just sounds the horn at 1:00 prior to the end of halftime, has never done the :15 warning horn (if both teams are not ready to play).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

A interpretation of the rule which is not being followed must be corrected though, correct?

The Varsity timer just sounds the horn at 1:00 prior to the end of halftime, has never done the :15 warning horn (if both teams are not ready to play).

who gives a rats a$$. do your job as an official and get the teams out and ready to play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I'd prefer the book, timer, and PA announcer wait and give us the courtesy of reporting the foul first before recording anything.

Agree. Last week, had a table crew tell us, after they failed to tell me that we were in the bonus, and then failed to tell my partner that a player had been charged with his fifth foul, that they didn't have to tell us, "because it was on the scoreboard".

[just another ref]

My partner and I had a double whistle on a player control foul in the paint last week. I backed off and let him have the call. Before he was halfway to the table, the PA had it going "Offensive foul on number 32............."

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. Last week, had a table crew tell us, after they failed to tell me that we were in the bonus, and then failed to tell my partner that a player had been charged with his fifth foul, that they didn't have to tell us, "because it was on the scoreboard".

I am always patient when posting fouls on the scoreboard, & will either hold up the "one & one" for fouls 7-9, "2" for 10th foul, & "5" when a player accumulates their 5th foul.

The scorer is, as part of duties/responsibilities, is supposed to:

NOTIFY THE NEARER OFFICIAL WHEN:
1. The bonus penalty is in effect for the 7th, 8th & 9th team foul in each half. The bonus display indicates a second free throw is awarded for all common fouls (other than player-control) if the first free throw is successful. The proper bonus panel, such as (H for home & V for visitor) shall be displayed after the penalty for the sixth team foul has been administered. Another
method is to activate a light or device nearest the basket of the team which is to receive the bonus.
2. The 10th team foul occurs each half. Thereafter, the bonus (2nd free throw) is awarded for a common foul (except player control) whether or not the first is successful.
3. Any player is charged with his or her 5th foul (personal or technical), the second technical foul is charged to any team member, bench personnel, directly to the head coach, or the 3rd technical foul is charged to the head coach.

Sounds like that table crew needs to be retrained as to their duties/responsibilities.