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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The only time I've heard of sounding the horn :15 secs. before the end is on TOs & replacements, not for pregame or halftime.

That would be a long period on the bench for the teams if the horn sounded 3 minutes before the game/halftime ended.

I thought you had a rules book? Read it. And, what you seem to think constable said, is not what he said.

And, no one said the teams need to be on the bench from the time the "three minute warning" sounded.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Concerning counting pts. before whistle/foul, I look for the "count the basket" signal before posting on the board, as I want to make sure the points do count.

He wasn't talking about on a foul so much as points scored when there is no immediate whistle.

Originally Posted by chseagle

The only time I've heard of sounding the horn :15 secs. before the end is on TOs & replacements, not for pregame or halftime.

That would be a long period on the bench for the teams if the horn sounded 3 minutes before the game/halftime ended.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that players are required to go to their benches at the "warning horn." Not true. Also, there's no requirement for a horn at 1:00.

2-12-2, 2-12-4

Note 2-12-4 states to sound it 15 seconds before the expiration of any intermission.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

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What would you do if the timer started marking the fouls on the board before reporting them to the table?

If it begins to create confusion as to bonus situations I will ask that they wait. If it's not creating a problem, then nothing.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Would you call a jump ball whenever the defender ties up the ball yet lets go before the whistle?

Whenever, maybe not. But, it is not that unusual to have a ball become free after you put air in your whistle.

[refiator]

I am hearing a lot of folks who will allow the clock operator to change the number of fouls on the scoreboard before the foul is actually reported. This is a bad habit. You must speak to the timer to correct this, otherwise you are setting yourself or your partner up into an embarrassing correctable error. Remember....Preventive Officiating!

[deecee]

Originally Posted by refiator

I am hearing a lot of folks who will allow the clock operator to change the number of fouls on the scoreboard before the foul is actually reported. This is a bad habit. You must speak to the timer to correct this, otherwise you are setting yourself or your partner up into an embarrassing correctable error. Remember....Preventive Officiating!

what error are we setting ourselves up to? what shows on the scoreboard has no real relevance to the game. thats why we have a scorebook. the only book i need to be on is the one with my scorer, and they always know to tell me when we hit 6.

[chseagle]

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

Originally Posted by deecee

what error are we setting ourselves up to? what shows on the scoreboard has no real relevance to the game. thats why we have a scorebook. the only book i need to be on is the one with my scorer, and they always know to tell me when we hit 6.

[chseagle]

I just sent an e-mail to both the WIAA Executive over basketball & the WOA Executive Director asking what the state's interpretation of the rule is.

I'll run a test Tuesday night as I have games that night, just to see what happens.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

NFHS rule 2-11-11 says we are supposed to trust the child doing scorebook for anything that is entered into the scorebook, including fouls, bonus free throws, etc. The scorebook is official. We trust the adult doing the scoreboard for timing purposes ONLY. That only thing that is official on the scoreboard is the time remaining.

Been that way forever under the rules.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

Hate to disappoint you, but no. The scorebook is official. If the two disagree, the last place I'm looking is the scoreboard.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

deecee, in some situations the scoreboard can be of relevance depending on who is doing table operations. Would you trust an adult inputting information on the scoreboard over a child doing scorebook?

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by deecee

once again you are completely wrong and off course. the scoreboard is for cosmetic purpose as far as the game is involved. im sure you will disagree, because that is what you do best when logic and reason is presented to you along with fact.

I was saying NOT always can the scorebook(s) be reliable due to who is doing them.

There can be instances where the scoreboard is more reliable due to an inexperienced scorer.

[constable]

Originally Posted by refiator

I am hearing a lot of folks who will allow the clock operator to change the number of fouls on the scoreboard before the foul is actually reported. This is a bad habit. You must speak to the timer to correct this, otherwise you are setting yourself or your partner up into an embarrassing correctable error. Remember....Preventive Officiating!

Preventative officiating is key but when I am reporting the foul I have much better things to pay attention to then looking to see whether or not the timer has put up a team foul before I've reported it.

[constable]

Also, what correctable error? I agree with the earlier post- the scoreboard for team fouls is just a reference, not the official record. The book is. They let us know on 6 and 9 and we communicate it amongst our partner or partners.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by refiator

I am hearing a lot of folks who will allow the clock operator to change the number of fouls on the scoreboard before the foul is actually reported. This is a bad habit. You must speak to the timer to correct this, otherwise you are setting yourself or your partner up into an embarrassing correctable error. Remember....Preventive Officiating!

How does this set you up for a CE?

If there are 6 fouls, and you call another -- when you look, there will be 7, and you'll shoot the 1-1.

NOT putting the fouls up, could set you up for the CE -- if the 6 stays up there for too long (and the book doesn't tell you it was the 7th), you might administer a throw-in instead of shooting FTs