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BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:47pm

False Double Foul ???
 
Trail sounds whistle and charges personal foul on B1 who fouls A1 in the act of shooting a three point field goal. Ball does not go in. While the ball is in flight, lead sounds the whistle and charges A2 with a rebounding push against B2. False double foul. Penalize in the order that they occurred. Three free throws for A1 with the lane cleared. A1 is successful on the last free throw. We are not in the bonus for either team. Team B inbounds the ball on the endline, which is the spot closest to the foul. Team B gets to run the endline.

Did we do this correctly?

AKOFL Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:53pm

I believe it should be a spot throw-in from the end line. The rest of it sounds good though.

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:02pm

Designated Spot ???
 
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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 711204)
I believe it should be a spot throw-in from the end line. The rest of it sounds good though.

That was our biggest concern after we got together to discuss the play before reporting to the table. Maybe we blew it? Anybody got a citation?

After the game, we talked about how to handle this if both fouls occurred at exactly the same time? How do you penalize in the order that they occurred? Simultaneous fouls? No free throws? Go to the arrow? Seems harsh not to award three free throws? We both forgot about it after a few adult beverages.

deecee Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:10pm

in this stich why not go with poi which would be the arrow?

Welpe Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 711208)
in this stich why not go with poi which would be the arrow?

When do we ever go to the arrow after a common foul? This isn't a double foul.

Indianaref Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:18pm

4.19.9 Situation A. Sounds like you did it right.

Indianaref Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 711204)
I believe it should be a spot throw-in from the end line. The rest of it sounds good though.

Last free throw was good, which allows Team B the right to run the endline.

Indianaref Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 711208)
in this stich why not go with poi which would be the arrow?

4-36-1

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:37pm

4.19.9 situation a ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 711211)
4.19.9 Situation A. Sounds like you did it right.

A1 leaps high and is fouled by B1 as he/she taps the ball
which subsequently goes through A’s basket. A1 fouls B2 in returning to the floor.
RULING: This is a false double foul. The foul by B1 does not cause the ball to
become dead. However, the player-control foul by A1 does cause the ball to
become dead and also dictates that no goal can be scored. Since the goal is not
scored, A1 is awarded two free throws for the foul by B1. No players are allowed
along the lane as Team B will be awarded the ball following the last free throw. If
the last throw is successful, the throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. If
the last throw is unsuccessful, the throw-in is from a designated spot nearest the
foul. (4-1; 4-11; 4-41-1; 6-7-7 Exception c: 6-7-4; 7-5-4a)

deecee Fri Dec 31, 2010 01:45pm

i know, just playing devils advocate.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 31, 2010 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 711208)
in this stich why not go with poi which would be the arrow?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 711210)
When do we ever go to the arrow after a common foul? This isn't a double foul.

On a simultaneous foul.

If they occurred at approximately the same time, even if not a double foul, we go with the POI.

deecee Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 711238)
On a simultaneous foul.

If they occurred at approximately the same time, even if not a double foul, we go with the POI.

Thanks camron that's what I was hinting at. The case play is wrong for this op. Correct procedure would have been ap arrow. If the basket scored correct procedure would be shoot the 1 shot with spaces occupied.

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:18pm

Simultaneous Foul ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 711238)
On a simultaneous foul. If they occurred at approximately the same time, even if not a double foul, we go with the POI.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 711206)
After the game, we talked about how to handle this if both fouls occurred at exactly the same time? How do you penalize in the order that they occurred? Simultaneous fouls? No free throws? Go to the arrow? Seems harsh not to award three free throws? We both forgot about it after a few adult beverages.

So in my hypothetical followup, we're not shooting three free throws? We're going to the arrow? Seems harsh, but correct.

deecee Fri Dec 31, 2010 03:57pm

In your situation the poi was the shot. So what happens next? Free throws with the lanes occupied of course.

BillyMac Fri Dec 31, 2010 05:10pm

Simultaneous Fouls ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 711245)
So in my hypothetical followup, we're not shooting three free throws? We're going to the arrow? Seems harsh, but correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 711258)
In your situation the poi was the shot. So what happens next? Free throws with the lanes occupied of course.

No free throws for simultaneous fouls? Right? What am I missing here? Too much nog?


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