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Jump ball v. travel
A1 drives to the basket and jumps as B1 blocks A1's shot with his (B1's) forearm (not capping it with his hand) A1 never has the ball knocked out of his grasp and returns to the floor. What do you have?
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I'll go with a held ball. While Case Book Play 4.25.2 does say "with hands," I believe the important part is that airborne A1 is prevented from releasing the ball for a try or pass.
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did you mean to type A1 instead of the final B1 in your sitch? If that is the case, Held ball!
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When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.
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Since "the important part is that airborne A1 is prevented from releasing the ball for a try or pass", would this be a held ball too?
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My vote would be to charge the kid who took the shot with a flagrant technical foul for being quite possibly the complete polar opposite of Diebler as far as skill is involved and just get him out of the game so other ludicrous scenarios wont happen in your contest.
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I'd pay money to see that. I've got traveling here. I'm comfortable calling a held ball if B1 blocks the ball with a forearm even if there is no actual hand contact, but A1 putting the ball into the back of B1's head is too far from "An opponent plac[ing] his/her hand(s) on the ball" for me to call a held ball here. |
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My point was, how do we determine a held ball if it does not occur with the hands?
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My guess is the only reason it says hands and not hands/arm is the committee didn't consider it possible for the ball not to come loose in that situation. |
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I am not sure if this is nit picking or not since the NCAA went to GREAT lengths to let their officials know what anatomically constitutes an elbow and what does not. I can see in the future this rule being 'modified'.
In this scenario, I'm going with a JUMP. It is a "letter v intent' of the law play IMO. |
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Maybe this example is a little more believeable: A1 goes up for a shot, while B1 also jumps up to defend/block the shot. A1 does a double-clutch and tries to go under B1's arms, but ends up pinning the ball against B1's side, and comes down with the ball. Somehow B1's hands or arms never touch the ball. (B1 was trying to stay "straight up" and not foul.) Would you still consider this a blocked shot, and thus a held ball? For the record, I do not have an answer, just looking for opinions. In the OP, I too would rule a held ball, as a player can hold the ball without using their hands. But the wording of the case play has me thinking...yea, I know, sometimes a dangerous thing...
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ball out of A1’s hands; (b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball; (c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or (d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces. RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live. In (c), a traveling violation. In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation. With the exception of (a), not many references to hands here.
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