Official Attacked

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If assaulting a game official is not making "a travesty of the game", which is the grounds for forfeit, then I don't know what would be.

Game over, 100 times out of 100.

My first thought was no, you should just suspend the game at that point. My second thought however was no, Scrapper is 114% right. That act does merit a forfeit for that player's team. A mere suspension where that player's team could still win the game doesn't reflect the seriousness and severity of the act.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Wow. Talk about a temper tantrum. Hopefully the official wasn't injured.

If you all don't mind, let's dissect this a bit as there is a lot going on. First there is at least a common or possibly intentional foul. Then the calling official assesses what appears to be a flagrant technical on the player. After that we have at least two more flagrant technicals on the same player.

My thoughts are we assess all fouls against the player without any indirects to the head coach and the other team is shooting at least 6 shots with the lane cleared.

What I'm wondering is if you all would consider ending the game at this point as this crew did?

It also gets me to thinking as to what I would do in this official's situation. I think he was clearly surprised but I'm not so sure I would just stand there either. Hard to say from the comfort of my computer screen.

I'm fine with the intentional on the first push, then a flagrant technical when he pushed the defender after the first whistle. It's a non-basketball play and kid obviously is an escalator and is just a big problem, dump him. I don't see the need to pile on more flagrant T's, the player is disqualified after the first one. There is no need for any indirects if you don't pile on the extras when he's already dq'd. As for ending the game, he!! nah! That punk ain't getting away with taking the game away from the rest of the players, fans, etc...get his a$$ outta there, regain your composure and play on. (assuming this was an isolated incident of course).

[Welpe]

You would not issue at least one technical foul for assaulting the official? I find that to be rather interesting.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You would not issue at least one technical foul for assaulting the official? I find that to be rather interesting.

I understand where you're coming from, but you've given a flagrant, he's gone. Let the law deal with him on assault, you've done what you can, you tossed him. I doubt anyone would have a problem with your technicals, but I just don't really see their point. There is nothing in high school that says you can't assess additional penalties after a player is thrown. In the NBA, you've got a flagrant 1 (basically the same as a hs intentional) on the first foul, then a flagrant T. Nothing else could be assessed after he's ejected. High school doesn't say you can't, neither does it say you should.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You would not issue at least one technical foul for assaulting the official? I find that to be rather interesting.

I would. I've issued a flagrant to an already DQ'd player before. And in this case, you wouldn't have to worry about any indirects because all the action occurred before the player could be notified he was DQd.

The more I think about this, there's no way I'd continue this game under any circumstance. There's a police report to fill out.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

you wouldn't have to worry about any indirects because all the action occurred before the player could be notified he was DQd

The player becomes bench personnel when the coach is notified not when the player is notified. Also on the video it seems like the official notified the player immediately after the foul was called which caused him to attack the official.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

You would not issue at least one technical foul for assaulting the official? I find that to be rather interesting.

Assuming for a moment that you're going to continue the game...

Would it benefit the game to assess additional Ts? I don't see how it would. Would the other team feel unfairly treated if you don't? I don't think they would. Would an indirect to the coach really be warranted, or useful? I don't think so.

What happened after the T was not only clearly outside the spirit and intent of the rules, but also outside the scope of the rules. There will be additional penalties, but they will come from authorities whose scope includes the kid's behavior.

Bottom line, IMHO if you're going to continue the game, administer what has been assessed and move on.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CLH

I'm fine with the intentional on the first push, then a flagrant technical when he pushed the defender after the first whistle. It's a non-basketball play and kid obviously is an escalator and is just a big problem, dump him. I don't see the need to pile on more flagrant T's, the player is disqualified after the first one. There is no need for any indirects if you don't pile on the extras when he's already dq'd. As for ending the game, he!! nah! That punk ain't getting away with taking the game away from the rest of the players, fans, etc...get his a$$ outta there, regain your composure and play on. (assuming this was an isolated incident of course).

Disagree completely. You're letting that player get away with some of his vile actions. You're not formally penalizing him in any way for assaulting an official. Having said that, there's also no need imo to pile on any FT's. Call the game, get the hell outa there before anything else happens and take the score book into the dressing room with you. Detail what happened step-by-step on the score sheet and your reasons for forfeiting. Put down the score and time of the forfeit. If the league wants to continue on with that game later, hey, that's their decision. That one has to be a discussion between them and whomever you report to. You and your partners should also put in a full written report of the incident to your association/governing body. No doubt you'll be involved with police reports also, so get some facts on paper while they're still fresh in your mind.

And ask for a police escort when you're ready to leave.

It's nice to have balls, but it's also nice to know when you should use 'em. Leave the macho stuff to the kids.

JMO.

[SRQREF]

My understanding is that the kid was arrested, still learning more as this develops