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justacoach Sun Dec 12, 2010 03:04am
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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 707018)
Hello All,
I appreciate the sentiment and welcoming nature of the members of this board.When I first joined you all made me (even as a scorekeeper) feel incredibly welcome to participate.I came here as a professional development tool to gain a better understanding of the game and feel as if you all have helped me succeed in that regard and have enjoyed the humor from our senior members. Through this board I have gained an entirely new respect for what you all do night in and night out.

Sincerely,
Derryl Trujillo (Official Scorekeeper Woodcrest Christian Varsity Boys/Girls Basketball-Riverside,CA) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Thanks, Derryl, now you've got me all verklempt. I may need an extra dose of meds before I can get to sleep tonight:o

comical Sun Dec 12, 2010 05:56am
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 706986)
As the R, I check the book prior to the game and put a line under the last players name, so that shouldn't be able to happen without being noticeable.

That being said, I've never personally had to go back and check a book. Hmm....
I'm a little hazy on the details because this was a few years ago, but two of the problems were that I was delayed in getting the names into the book for some reason (through no fault of the coach from the visiting school) and didn't have all the names in when the official came to check the book at the 10:00 minute mark.

The other problem was that the visiting team's roster had 18 or 19 players, more names than I had spaces for. I skipped a player's name and number while hurrying to get the names in the book and squeezing some of them into the available spaces. Because of the number of players, even if the official wanted to draw a line under the name of the last player, there wouldn't have been anyplace to put it.

BillyMac Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:51am
Seems It Never Rains In Southern California ...
 
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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 707018)
Derryl Trujillo, Menifee, CA, Official Scorekeeper Woodcrest Christian Varsity Boys/Girls Basketball, Riverside, CA
With these credentials, highlighted above, you'll be doing the scorekeeping for NCAA Division I games in a few months. Next time UCLA, or USC, plays on ESPN, we'll be looking for you. Give us a little wave.

BillyMac Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:54am
That Is Oh So Last Week ...
 
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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 707021)
You've got me all verklempt.
That was last week's Word of the Week. Let's move on. Isn't Hanukkah over?

Stat-Man Sun Dec 12, 2010 03:08pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 706838)
You've seen a T called when the coach has supplied the list, but the scorer has not yet copied it at the 10 minute mark?

Seriously, he's putting us on.
Many years ago at a HS varsity game, we were the visiting team and the home scorer for the varsity game was nowhere to be found as the pre-game clock slowly wound down. The referees told our coach that if our roster was not in the home book by the 10 minute mark, it was going to be T on us. :eek: :confused:

chseagle Sun Dec 12, 2010 03:16pm
If no one was available to be home scorer, why did they not just make the visitor book the official scorer?

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 707084)
Many years ago at a HS varsity game, we were the visiting team and the home scorer for the varsity game was nowhere to be found as the pre-game clock slowly wound down. The referees told our coach that if our roster was not in the home book by the 10 minute mark, it was going to be T on us. :eek: :confused:

Adam Sun Dec 12, 2010 04:42pm
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 707086)
If no one was available to be home scorer, why did they not just make the visitor book the official scorer?
Because the same refs who would hold the coach responsible for that play are the ones who don't know you can appoint the V book as official. The fact is these guys didn't know the rule.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:11am
UPDATE: Mr. Timer has been relieved of his duties, permanently.

I called the assignor on Tuesday and shared the situation with him. I learned that we were the third crew to have problems with this timer this season, which is only in it's 4th week. Since the rules state that the referee must approve the timer, the assignor has contacted the A.D. and told him that no referee from our association will approve this man as the timer. They have 3 weeks before the next home game. He included a copy of the NFHS instructions for timers and scorers so they might begin training a new timer.

chseagle Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:17am
The Instructions for & Duties of Scorer/Timer for Basketball Games is very useful as a training tool.

Is there not someone that does Sub-V timer there that might be able to step up?

NFHS Rule 2-4-3 is the rule you're quoting.

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 707795)
UPDATE: Mr. Timer has been relieved of his duties, permanently.

I called the assignor on Tuesday and shared the situation with him. I learned that we were the third crew to have problems with this timer this season, which is only in it's 4th week. Since the rules state that the referee must approve the timer, the assignor has contacted the A.D. and told him that no referee from our association will approve this man as the timer. They have 3 weeks before the next home game. He included a copy of the NFHS instructions for timers and scorers so they might begin training a new timer.

zm1283 Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:20am
I had my first hint of a problem with someone from the table in my game last night. No problems like the OP though. The scorer (Who when we introduced ourselves before the game let us know she was the superintendent and administrator on duty) kept looking away from us when we reported fouls. She would either be looking at someone else at the table or already looking down recording who she though the foul was on when we were reporting. Nothing to have someone replaced over, but rather annoying to say the least. At least the board operator/timer was making eye contact with us every time so he could fill her in if she missed something.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:25am
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 707796)
Is there not someone that does Sub-V timer there that might be able to step up?
Why would I know or even care?

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NFHS Rule 2-4-3 is the rule you're quoting.
Didn't believe me and had to look it up, eh?

BktBallRef Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:27am
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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 707799)
I had my first hint of a problem with someone from the table in my game last night. No problems like the OP though. The scorer (Who when we introduced ourselves before the game let us know she was the superintendent and administrator on duty) kept looking away from us when we reported fouls. She would either be looking at someone else at the table or already looking down recording who she though the foul was on when we were reporting. Nothing to have someone replaced over, but rather annoying to say the least. At least the board operator/timer was making eye contact with us every time so he could fill her in if she missed something.
At the very least, you should tell her to not make asumptions regarding the foul and to wait for the signal.

chseagle Thu Dec 16, 2010 01:30am
I believed you on the rule citation, I was just quoting the exact rule number for everyone's reference.

Concerning using a Sub-V Timer in place of the replaced V Timer, they would already have some training/experience, instead of bringing in someone that has not done table.

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 707801)
Why would I know or even care?



Didn't believe me and had to look it up, eh?

Clark Kent Thu Dec 16, 2010 04:28am
Don't worry Chseagle, some guys on here may say it is the student, but I think many are pretty lousy teachers! Hang in there and keep asking questions. If they don't like it hopefully they can resist the temptation to treat you in a in such a rude way.

I'm sure I'll take some heat for posting this, but I think someone needed to stand up for someone else on here! I know this site has been extremely valuable for me and has taught me a ton, and I'm very thankful for the years and years of experience that these guys have and all that they are willing to pass on. I only wish that some could do it in a more constructive and less degrading manner.

constable Thu Dec 16, 2010 05:44am
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 706879)
Finally a constructive "non-condescending" answer/

All I have been doing is mentioning my understanding of rules & yet almost everyone that responds is trying to turn my a$$ into the grand canyon with no rhyme/reason except to exert their manhood where it does not belong.

Like stated a million times before (over-exaggerated) I am wanting to learn the proper meanings/reasonings behind the rules, yet majority of the time instead of politely explaining the proper use/meaning of the rule I am being fed to the wolves for just asking for clarifications.

Sorry to say this but almost everyone on here miserably fails as teachers as cannot calmly explain with rational thinking how/why a rule is written compared to how it is understood.



BillyMac, your soapbox (to me) was only about 1-2 feet off the ground.

Here is an idea.

Give up your cushy lil gig as a timer or scorer or whatever the hell it is you do.

Write the exam, go to the floor training sessions and join your local board/association.

Everyone here would be much more receptive to your goofy questions.

Until then, stop the clock when I blow my whistle and start it when I chop time in.


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