When is it too late to turnback a game ???????

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I think the professional way to handle this is to tell the small college guy you'll get back to him after you communicate with your HS assignor. Then call the HS assignor and see if he's OK with the switch.

My attitude has always been that my HS game is no less important than a small college date and my contract for the HS game is binding unless the HS assignor agrees to let me out of it. I don't work a lot of college basketball, but I worked a pretty full D3 baseball schedule up until I quit a few years ago and the college assignor hated that I wouldn't just dump HS commitments at the drop of a hat for him and it's one reason I just decided to not work those games anymore.

We like guys like you.

If we can work something out, fine. But if you just tell me you're dumping your assigned game, well, you reap what you sow.

When it comes down to that plum playoff assignment at the end of the year....and I have my choice of 2 officials with fairly equal ability....and one official was dumping games on me during the year...guess who I'm giving the playoff game to. Yup...the RichMSN's of the world.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We like guys like you.

If we can work something out, fine. But if you just tell me you're dumping your assigned game, well, you reap what you sow.

When it comes down to that plum playoff assignment at the end of the year....and I have my choice of 2 officials with fairly equal ability....and one official was dumping games on me during the year...guess who I'm giving the playoff game to. Yup...the RichMSN's of the world.

I wish our state office saw it that way.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We like guys like you.

If we can work something out, fine. But if you just tell me you're dumping your assigned game, well, you reap what you sow.

When it comes down to that plum playoff assignment at the end of the year....and I have my choice of 2 officials with fairly equal ability....and one official was dumping games on me during the year...guess who I'm giving the playoff game to. Yup...the RichMSN's of the world.

Exactly. Some people wonder why other people seem to be getting the better assignments when their abilities are similar (maybe even a little better). You would think they would figure it out. You take care of your assignor when they're in a spot and they'll remember it. You cause them grief, they're remember it. Guess who is most likely to get that call when a good opportunity comes up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Do you guys think that 48 hrs in enough time and how do your assigners
where you live handle this issue?????

The only people that can answer are the people you are working for on a particular game that you plan to give back. To some 48 hours is enough, to others that would be too soon. To some a week is too soon based on the reason you are giving back the game. I know an assignor (who has since passed) that did not like anyone to give back high school games in his conference for college assignments. He would scratch you or pull you immediately. That was just his thing and his right as he was assigning the games.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

I think it really depends on the relationship you have with your assignor. I had a JVB upgraded to a VB yesterday by my secondary assignor. My primary assignor called about 10:30 last night to see what I had that night. He thanked me and then about half an hour ago, he called wondering if I could do a DH tonight as he had someone back out. I will leave earlier and know that I am with a rookie, but I don't mind giving back as I had received earlier in my career. This assignor has been very good to me and the only turn backs I have had were due to a death in the family and leaving for a business trip early in the morning. That was a 10 pm game, so he understood.

I have had other situations when an opportunity to get a VB game and turning back a JV game was met with vitriol. But, if you have a good relationship built up with the assignor, you can work through things.

[grunewar]

This year we were told anything inside 24 hrs (unless under exigent circumstances) you get "fined" your game check.

[BktBallRef]

Since 1988...

I have NEVER turned a game back in.

I have NEVER refused an assignment.

I have NEVER refused a game as a fill-in.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Since 1988...

I have NEVER turned a game back in.

I have NEVER refused an assignment.

I have NEVER refused a game as a fill-in.

I had to do two of those for yesterday when one of my assignors did not realize he had me scheduled for two games at two different levels.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Since 1988...

Since 2001, when I started college varsity. . .

I have NEVER turned a game back in.

I've probably turned back an average of 1 game per season.

I have NEVER refused an assignment.

I refused 6 just this year. I sent my D3 assignor my D2 dates and he gave me games on them anyway. I always refuse HS or D3 scrimmages if they're more than a half-hour away.

I have NEVER refused a game as a fill-in.

I think I'm actually with you on this one.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This year we were told anything inside 24 hrs (unless under exigent circumstances) you get "fined" your game check.

Is that in your boards by - laws or is that what the assigner says he is going to do ???

BTW - are you in Cardinal ???

[Multiple Sports]

Hey guys, I appreciate how everyone responded. I think part of the equation / solution is what kind of mentality does the assigner have.

Some assigners assign based on availability ( most hs assigners) and some
assigners assign on ability.

I think 48 hrs is reasonable, unless it is the DeMatha / Gonzaga game in DC or
the Christ The King / St. Raymond's game in NYC.

I know guys that wouldn't work a DII or DIII game if they were assigned a high profile hs game.


Sorry to you guys out in the midwest, the games I referenced are some big time catholic school games on the east coast.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Is that in your boards by - laws or is that what the assigner says he is going to do ???

BTW - are you in Cardinal ???

1. Says they're going to do.

2. No.

PM me if you want

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This year we were told anything inside 24 hrs (unless under exigent circumstances) you get "fined" your game check.

Here, you can get fined for any turnback after the game has been accepted in arbiter.

The assigner in my last association didn't use arbiter, schedules came out in paper packets, and he gave a deadline of about a week after the schedule was released. Any turnback after that would mean a fine.

Further games are not assigned to an official until the fine is paid. Whether it's in the bi-laws or not, I don't know. It's not an area I care to use for wave-making, to be honest.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here, you can get fined for any turnback after the game has been accepted in arbiter.

Our Arbiter is set that you "automatically accept the game" when you open Arbiter (I think), I know it's automatic. Then you have to call or email the Assignor to turn it back.

Not a fan of that feature.