When is it too late to turnback a game ???????

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

My personal cut off for a varsity game high school game is a week. If you give an assignor less notice than that, it may be difficult for them to find someone with the experience and skills for that particular game. Anythinig lower than that, I would think a couple of days is ok, but I would not want to do it often if that is an assignor I want to continue to work with.

The actual day would matter around here. I Friday would be nearly impossible to cover a game considering how many people are already working. A Tuesday would be really easy to cover because not everyone plays. Someone is not working that night.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Is that in your boards by - laws or is that what the assigner says he is going to do ???

BTW - are you in Cardinal ???

1. Says they're going to do.

2. No.

PM me if you want

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here, you can get fined for any turnback after the game has been accepted in arbiter.

Our Arbiter is set that you "automatically accept the game" when you open Arbiter (I think), I know it's automatic. Then you have to call or email the Assignor to turn it back.

Not a fan of that feature.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Our Arbiter is set that you "automatically accept the game" when you open Arbiter (I think), I know it's automatic. Then you have to call or email the Assignor to turn it back.

Not a fan of that feature.

Ouch. We get an email with a deadline to accept/reject.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

I think 48 hrs is reasonable, unless it is the DeMatha / Gonzaga game in DC...

I have actually been in this situation. I had a falling out with the assigner of the Washington DC Catholic league when I called to turn back a game. I did this nearly a month before the game and it was for a college game! The game I turned back was for another one of his leagues, not the Catholic league. I stood my ground and told him what he was doing wasn't right with the early notice I gave him - he took all my high school games. He called me the next day and gave me more/better games than he originally gave me. I ended up doing a lot of those Catholic league games and we got along great after that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We get an email with a deadline to accept/reject.

Same here.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ouch. We get an email with a deadline to accept/reject.

Same here. If you reject the game, it automatically marks the day as blocked. I don't remember for sure, but I think you might not be able to clear the block it sets.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Our Arbiter is set that you "automatically accept the game" when you open Arbiter (I think), I know it's automatic. Then you have to call or email the Assignor to turn it back.

Not a fan of that feature.

Ours is set up the same way. I don't care for it, but it is how it's done and it works, so oh well. I wish we would at least get a day or two to decline it if we wanted to. I have several assignors for college baseball, and all of them use the accept/decline feature on the Arbiter.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Same here. If you reject the game, it automatically marks the day as blocked. I don't remember for sure, but I think you might not be able to clear the block it sets.

Yep -- and I'm not a fan of that feature, either.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Same here. If you reject the game, it automatically marks the day as blocked. I don't remember for sure, but I think you might not be able to clear the block it sets.

I'd forgotten about that, that's how it is here, too. I've had to email the assigner when I inadvertently turned down a game so he could unblock and re-assign.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Our Arbiter is set that you "automatically accept the game" when you open Arbiter (I think), I know it's automatic. Then you have to call or email the Assignor to turn it back.

Not a fan of that feature.

Only with the Disney assignor have I seen that feature used. My other assignors have a 3-5 day window to accept or reject the assignment.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep -- and I'm not a fan of that feature, either.

I understand why our assigners use it. It prevents JV officials from turning back games in the hopes of getting a better assignment for that night later. It works well when your assignments all come from one assigner. The two times I had a legitimate reason to unblock a night, the assigner was more than willing to help out.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Only with the Disney assignor have I seen that feature used.

Is this the guy? I think I've met him, but in California, at Disneyland.

[BillyMac]

I am very fortunate in terms of getting assignments. I only work with two assigners, one who assigns all my high school games, and another who assigns my Catholic middle school games.

The high school assigner is my primary assigner. His assignments always, always, always, take top priority.

My Catholic middle school assigner also believes that high school assignments be given the highest priority. If we have been assigned a Catholic school game, and a few hours before said game we receive a last minute high school assignment, then all concerned know that the high school assignment is accepted, and the Catholic middle school assigner will get a last minute fill in official. What's makes this really sweet is that my Catholic middle school assigner can "see" my high school assignments on Arbiter, and thus avoid conflicts.

[bigdog5142]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It ain't that easy. It depends on # of games to be covered plus availability on that particular night. We might also have to match partners depending on the game. We don't want 2 fairly inexperienced guys on a big game and we don't want new officials taking varsity games they aren't ready for yet either. We also try to keep people away from going to the same location too many times.

If someone tells me they're available and I assign them based on that availability...and they then come back to me to say they've accepted another game that they thought was better than the game I gave them...you can take it to the bank I will remember that. Their next game from me will be only when I absolutely have to use them. And I can tell you that most assignors feel the same way. We treat officials the way thery treat us. Fair's fair.

I just wanted to ask you, Jurassic, what you think about this same situation when an assignor gives no respect to anyone. I'm in a situation where the assignor does not wish to know anyone that he assigns unless you go to his camp in the summer. I cannot attend his camp due to my real job. He willingly assigns me Frosh and JV games, but will not assign me Varsity until I fork over the money to attend his camp (and even then it's not a guarantee). I do not turn back many games, as I feel like that's not fair. However, this season he is assigning games in two-week blocks rather than the entire season. (He's a college ref and college assignor as well.) I officiate for two other assignors in my area and am moving up in their ranks as I am doing many varsity games with them while filling my schedule with the other guy. I just got a boys varsity this Tuesday and turned back a girls JV. My biggest issue is that this assignor NEVER returns emails or phone calls. I have NEVER spoken to the man on the phone. I got one email when I joined and that's been it. The only response I get when I turn back a game is the Aribter telling me I've been removed. So...I guess I don't feel too badly about giving back a game when there's no real respect there.

I'm always willing to learn and be taught, however...what do you think? I'm not going to do a mass turn back and I feel I should fulfill my assignments, but in this case, I also want to show the guys that are assigning me varsity that I want to work for them. Good thing is I know the other two assignors well and work on their crews with them. (I'm a fill-in for them sometimes and work with them on others.) So...whatcha think?