Compression Sleeve

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by The R

From the Federation level there is no rule on sleeves. NFHS said there does not seem to be a problem with them in HS so there is no rule. I have no idea what games they are watching as I had a lot of them last year. Each association or state may handle them differently however.

This year the federation clarified that and we went from asking if the item was for a medical reason to not asking anything.

My guess is we will see a ruling on it next year.

3-5-2: ...........compression sleeves must meet the following guidelines:

e. Must be worn for medical reasons.

[The R]

Originally Posted by just another ref

3-5-2: ...........compression sleeves must meet the following guidelines:

e. Must be worn for medical reasons.

Just A you are correct on your rule quote. The only time a compression sleeve is mentioned is in the ART. 2 and no other place a-e. Guards, casts, braces, and faces masks are specifically addressed however there is no mention of compression sleeves a-e. I think that is what the Federation meant when they said there is no rule for them.

From our state sanction last year they initially told us we had to ask if there was a medical wavier but we did not have to actually see it. Then later in the year we were told they didn't need a wavier and not to ask for it. Compression sleeves were fine let them be worn. So they can be any color or combinations of colors.

Again my guess is next year there will be specific guidelines for them.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by The R

...there is no mention of compression sleeves a-e. I think that is what the Federation meant when they said there is no rule for them.

There is no mention of any specific item in e, which says to me that it applies to all items in the article.

[The R]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There is no mention of any specific item in e, which says to me that it applies to all items in the article.

Agreed.


There are no guidelines on how to handle determing the medical necessity. With a guard or brace we don't ask for medical paperwork so why would the sleeve be any different?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by The R

Agreed.


There are no guidelines on how to handle determing the medical necessity. With a guard or brace we don't ask for medical paperwork so why would the sleeve be any different?

Didn't know we were discussing paperwork. You said there was no rule on sleeves.

[JRutledge]

Not only is there a mention of these sleeves, the National Federation has used pictures to illustrate them. Not sure what you could be talking about "R" as you say there is no mention of them. The NF has used multiple pictures to show their legality in the Simplified and Illustrated Rulebook and the PowerPoint slides.

Sounds like someone thinks they are OK to me.

Peace

[chseagle]

From 2009-2010 Rulebook:

"ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable (soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the elbow, hand, finger/thumb, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons."

Guards, casts, braces & compression sleeves can only be worn if medically needed, otherwise they should not be worn. Like mentioned earlier though it's up to each state governing body to determine if just asking is ok or if written proof is needed.

However at the same time, 3-7 states:

"The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her
judgment any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to, a
player’s fingernails or hairstyle."

So if a guard, cast, brace, or compression sleeve, in the eyes of the R poses a safety concern, 3-5-2 can be nullified where the item even if medically needed would not be allowed.

Originally Posted by just another ref

3-5-2: ...........compression sleeves must meet the following guidelines:

e. Must be worn for medical reasons.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by chseagle

From 2009-2010 Rulebook:

"ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable (soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the elbow, hand, finger/thumb, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons."

Guards, casts, braces & compression sleeves can only be worn if medically needed, otherwise they should not be worn. Like mentioned earlier though it's up to each state governing body to determine if just asking is ok or if written proof is needed.

However at the same time, 3-7 states:

"The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her
judgment any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to, a
player’s fingernails or hairstyle."

So if a guard, cast, brace, or compression sleeve, in the eyes of the R poses a safety concern, 3-5-2 can be nullified where the item even if medically needed would not be allowed.

In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by justacoach

In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

Seconded. I move that nominations cease.


I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules. Or ban them. The manufacturers probably contribute to the coffers is my best guess.

[BillyMac]

... because it may come true.

OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.

[chseagle]

My having a hard copy of the 2010-2011 rules book had nothing to do with anyone on here. As for having the 2009-2010 rule book electronically, I promised I would not reveal my source for fear of death via firing squad.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules.

I agree. I feel the same about tights.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by justacoach

In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?

Agreed. But, THAT GIRL is a different thread!

[26 Year Gap]

Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.