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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 10:42am
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From 2009-2010 Rulebook:

"ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable (soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the elbow, hand, finger/thumb, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons."

Guards, casts, braces & compression sleeves can only be worn if medically needed, otherwise they should not be worn. Like mentioned earlier though it's up to each state governing body to determine if just asking is ok or if written proof is needed.

However at the same time, 3-7 states:

"The referee shall not permit any team member to participate if in his/her
judgment any item constitutes a safety concern, such as, but not limited to, a
player’s fingernails or hairstyle."

So if a guard, cast, brace, or compression sleeve, in the eyes of the R poses a safety concern, 3-5-2 can be nullified where the item even if medically needed would not be allowed.
In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 10:57am
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In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?
Seconded. I move that nominations cease.


I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules. Or ban them. The manufacturers probably contribute to the coffers is my best guess.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 11:19am
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OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 11:25am
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My having a hard copy of the 2010-2011 rules book had nothing to do with anyone on here. As for having the 2009-2010 rule book electronically, I promised I would not reveal my source for fear of death via firing squad.

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OK. Own up to it. Who wished that chseagle had a rulebook? Confess. You'll feel better after a catharsis. Cleanse your soul. We promise that we won't leave any permanent scars.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 11:38am
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In anticipation of CHSEAGLE ultimately graduating from table personnel to a fully ordained floor official, I hereby enter a motion that his forum handle be permanently changed to "THATGUY".
Can I get a second?
Agreed. But, THAT GIRL is a different thread!
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 11:41am
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Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 12:00pm
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Actually, "Marvin K. Mooney" might be a better fit.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 12:47pm
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This is how we've been instructed in N VA.

We will call the person over in warmups and ask that all important question, "Are you wearing your sleeve for a medical reason?"

"Yes" = it stays on.
"No" = it comes off.
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Sure, I've seen that too. I just keep asking until I get the correct answer.
One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?" He had a kid in his first game say, "no".
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 12:47pm
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I wish the fed would just say they are legal and must conform to fashion rules.
I agree. I feel the same about tights.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 01:20pm
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One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?" He had a kid in his first game say, "no".
When the sleeves first became an issue a few years ago, this happened to me. Later I had a discussion with his coach about it. The coach replied, "The kid's got great parents. He was taught to never be dishonest". So now, I just assume it's for medical reasons. Allen Iverson must be rolling over in his Turkish prison cot.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 01:37pm
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One of my partners recently told me that he goes to the player and says, "I have one question for you, and the answer is YES. Are you wearing the sleeve for a medical reason?"
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The coach replied, "The kid's got great parents. He was taught to never be dishonest".
I'm not going to encourage a player to be dishonest either.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 01:49pm
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He said she said.

The assigners for our state had a teleconference with the NF at the beginning of the season. During this meeting these sleeves were specifically questioned. The NF response was there is no rule on compression sleeves.

This is what members of my association have been told.

Thats were I'm coming from. I don't disagree that they are specifically mentioned in the rules. The pictures that I have found only show an example of a sleeve and not what is acceptable vs not acceptable.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 02:18pm
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Poor application of the rules by the prosecutor

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ask that all important question, "Are you wearing your sleeve for a medical reason?"

"Yes" = it stays on.
"No" = it comes off.
You'll never make it as an attorney. You were never taught to properly pose a leading question...
"You ARE wearing that sleeve for medical purposes, RIGHT? All the while vigorously nodding your head.

Next lesson, "Elements of Successful Pro Se Representation vis-a-vis Improper contact with Minors Charges for Va Judicial District 10, Appellate Division", for which I am the reigning authority.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 02:27pm
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The assigners for our state had a teleconference with the NF at the beginning of the season. During this meeting these sleeves were specifically questioned. The NF response was there is no rule on compression sleeves.
Nope. Sorry. I don't believe that anyone from the NFHS would ever make a response that denied the existence of one of their own plainly written rules.
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Old Sun Dec 05, 2010, 02:31pm
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You'll never make it as an attorney. You were never taught to properly pose a leading question...
"You ARE wearing that sleeve for medical purposes, RIGHT? All the while vigorously nodding your head.

Next lesson, "Elements of Successful Pro Se Representation vis-a-vis Improper contact with Minors Charges for Va Judicial District 10, Appellate Division", for which I am the reigning authority.
If I was trying to lead the player/witness and/or encourage him to lie, I may use this tactic. Since I am not and just simply asking a question, I will not use this method.

Your witness.
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