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AHSAA_Ref Mon Nov 22, 2010 02:04pm

Is it saying, you can't put your foot down OR take your foot and have it dangling in the air in another plane?

Cause THAT makes sense.

justacoach Mon Nov 22, 2010 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702562)
What is the need for BOTH then? I mean, if the ONLY way to leave the space is to put your foot in it, why the need for this, "Once a free throw starts, no player occupying a marked lane space may
enter or leave such space
or break with either foot the vertical plane of any lane
or lane-space boundary until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the
free throw ends.

Consider that you can leave a marked lane space by extending one's foot past the rear or front plane just as well as a side plane. Fed defines 'marked lane space' as 3' deep, beginning at outer edge of 3 sec lane. Recent change dictates that one foot must remain in close proximity to nearer lane line, IIRC.
CAVEAT: Although I post with the voice of authority, I could be entirely wrong as I am a former coach!!

Adam Mon Nov 22, 2010 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHSAA_Ref (Post 702563)
Is it saying, you can't put your foot down OR take your foot and have it dangling in the air in another plane?

Cause THAT makes sense.

Yes, and in the last couple of years they added the part about putting any part of your body on the floor outside the lane space; making it even more clear that those other body parts do not create a violation merely by breaking the plane.

ref3808 Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:04pm

8-4-G (p51 2010-11 NFHS Book)
 
It reads ... "Not more than one player may occupy any part of a marked lane space".

OK, I know it might be thin ... but it should be part of the discussion.

Adam Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 702624)
It reads ... "Not more than one player may occupy any part of a marked lane space".

OK, I know it might be thin ... but it should be part of the discussion.

Obviously meant to prevent teammats from doubling up in a lane space; can't read too much into that.

ref3808 Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:11pm

Case Book 9.1.3
 
Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.

Adam Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 702626)
Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.

There's what, three inches between lane spaces?

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:32pm

I'll take space number 2.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 702626)
Indicates that extending the arms over the area between the lane spaces is legal if there is no contact. Of course it says nothing about extending into another contestant's lane space.


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mbyron Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 702628)

Reminds me of the Monty Hall Problem.

Monty Hall problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try it yourself:
Monty Hall Simulation

rsl Mon Nov 22, 2010 05:44pm

9-1-3d clearly defines what it means to enter or leave:

No player shall enter a marked lane space or leave a marked lane space by contacting the court outside the 36-inch by 36-inch space.

This clearly does not prohibit reaching unless you touch the floor

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 22, 2010 06:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 702631)
Reminds me of the Monty Hall Problem.

Monty Hall problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try it yourself:
Monty Hall Simulation

But, if the contestants switch lane spaces, there is a good probability that they will commit a violation as the space assignments are not random.

BillyMac Mon Nov 22, 2010 08:27pm

That's What It's All About ...
 
I'm confused. Are we playing patty cake, or our we doing the hokey pokey?

ref3808 Mon Nov 22, 2010 08:33pm

I believe some may quibble with my use of the word contestant
 
contestant
Noun
1con·tes·tant (k n-t s t nt, k n t s t nt) n. 1. One taking part in a contest; a competitor 2 a person who dissents from some established policy [syn: dissenter, dissident, protester, objector]

Admitedly, it does lead one to think of game shows.

26 Year Gap Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 702652)
contestant
Noun
1con·tes·tant (k n-t s t nt, k n t s t nt) n. 1. One taking part in a contest; a competitor 2 a person who dissents from some established policy [syn: dissenter, dissident, protester, objector]

Admittedly, it does lead one to think of game shows.

Considering the rule book, case book, etc refer to players as, well, players, it is not surprising to think of other competitions. Like spelling bees.;)

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 702627)
There's what, three inches between lane spaces?

two, actually ;)


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