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Youngref, you are correct. However, in the video, the official is already granting timeout, then points at a player other than #2.
I'm questioning nobody's integrity. I'm questioning the play. I think it's certainly possible that the official realized he messed up after the fact, then tried to cover his behind with a weak story. I'm all for giving fellow officials the benefit of the doubt, but there's something that just doesn't sit right with me on this one. I'm not saying that his integrity was compromised in any way. It's quite possible that he made a mistake (Oh my, officials make mistakes??!!??), and did a poor job afterwards. It's easy for me to play armchair quarterback here, I'm just giving my opinion. If you want to discredit that because I'm willing to question what happened, so be it. Everyone on this board (including myself), has been critical of another official on this board, sometimes in a condescending way. If we can be critical on each other while interpreting a rule, why can't we be critical of a real situation that ended up being instrumental in deciding the outcome of a game? |
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There are really only three options here: 1. It happened as the official stated it did. 2. He's convinced a player made a verbal request, but the player didn't make the request. 3. He realized he goofed, but stuck to his guns and issued the T anyway. #2 is an issue of competence. #3 is competence and integrity. From your own comments, the video does not show the ref was in error. So you're basing your opinion on the official's competence on what, your gut? |
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Maybe it's just me, but I always like to go along with an official unless there's evidence that he actually did screw up. And I haven't read anything factual so far in this thread proving that he did so, just conjecture. Y'all go ahead and dump on the guy though. Personally I'll wait until I find out if there really is a reason to dump on him though. |
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Why aren't I surprised? :D |
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I'm just stating what I think could have happened. Never once did I say this is what happened. I've been trying to think about all the possible situations and explanations. I've been in loud arenas before, and I can only imagine what the noise is like down on the floor at the end of a close game. I never accused the official of anything, because you're right. I have no hard evidence. Neither do you. I'm just hashing out the possibilities. |
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Allow me to summarize your statements. Don't worry, I'll try to be charitable. "It just seems fishy. Maybe the official lied. Maybe he's just wrong." Has the coach or player even denied making the verbal request? If the evidence shows the official lied, I'll dump on him. |
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And we officials are territorial. :) |
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What most of usually don't do is crap on any official without hearing their side of the story or having some kinda actual proof that they really did screw up. Try putting yourself in that official's position. You may have made the absolutely correct call in your mind and know for a fact that a TO was requested by the team that didn't have one left, but people are crapping on you without asking you for the details. Or, if you do give someone the details, they just simply say "I don't believe that", just like you're doing now. That's where we're coming from. |
I'm right with you guys. No doubt about it.
All I'm doing is throwing out possible explanations for what happened...nothing more. I'm done arguing about this because I've said all I can say. |
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Peace |
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No, stiffler didn't say any of those. But they're all in the same vein. |
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