Is this in the book?... (must be on bench by 2nd quarter)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Would her religion permit her to sit on the bench until the Sabbath is over (sundown). I'm assuming she's Jewish, but I don't know how the requirement works.

Originally Posted by mbyron

Usually the issue is driving (or being driven) somewhere, as observant Jews won't use powered devices during Shabbat. Doing so is often interpreted as falling under the prohibition of working.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Personal interest, really, in understanding the intricacies of various religions.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There are other religions with similiar beliefs regarding the Sabbath, not just Judaism.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but the only other one that observes the Sabbath on Saturday I'm aware of is Seventh Day Adventist.

There's an old saying that you should never discuss sex, politics or religion in polite company.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

There's an old saying that you should never discuss sex, politics or religion in polite company.

But this is not exactly polite company.

[Upward ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But this is not exactly polite company.

+ 1 ! <><

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Call the UIL or appropriate Texas sanctioning body and the involved officials association and ask them about the rules regarding this incident. I don't believe there is a NFHS rule for this instance.I have served as a scorekeeper at the varsity level for several years (Entering 6'th BV season and 5'th GV season)and all my officials care about is that the number of people in the book match what is on court. I always put the entire roster in the book and then write DNP next to whoever is being held out for whatever reason.
In this case the officials would've counted the book and saw one more player listed than was warming up on court.This is fine-I had a player once miss the bus but still play in the game (She showed up midway through the first quarter). She was listed on the appropriate roster I submitted to the host scorekeeper at deadline and in both books.We had no issue.Curious to see what the sanctioning body's and official's chapter response is to this incident.Keep us posted!

[Lukester]

Thanks, everyone, for the feedback. I'll be emailing and/or calling the UIL (and maybe TASO?) tomorrow, looking for something in writing to keep on hand. Also will be checking w/ the other school to see about tracking down the officials' chapter or at least their assignor to touch base with them as well.
I will update the thread down the road.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but the only other one that observes the Sabbath on Saturday I'm aware of is Seventh Day Adventist.

No, they're far from the only one. There are quite a few Sabbatarian organizations that observe the Sabbath from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. Some are split groups of Seventh Day Adventist, but many have no affiliation with SDA. Hubert Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God was a huge Sabbath-keeping organization, although they operate under a different name now. There's even a Seveth Day Baptist denomination.

[Jfpdi]

I was at a preseason clinic this weekend and a question about having more players listed in the book then are present was a problem. The instructors stated it was not a problem and that if a kid showed up who is listed in the book there is no rule preventing the kid from playing.

Also listening to Seton Hall game today on the radio and one of the players showed up after the game started because of a death in his family and it was not an issue for him to play.

[tjones1]

Yep... don't go looking for trouble. More than likely, the player is going to be able to play. Check local listings.

[Splute]

Never heard of such in Texas, UIL or NFHS. I can give you the name of the Rules Interpreter for the UIL if you like. We simply check bodies to names in the book; if there are more names that is okay. They may be in the locker room for all I know.

[bainsey]

Lukester,

If it comes upon you to fight this rule, here's some possible ammunition: Look up NFHS rule 3-5-7.

To paraphrase, it says that jewelry is forbidden, unless worn for religious reasons (medical alert, too). If you have to, push that angle.

[Lukester]

Okay - bottom line as everyone here confirmed/suspected... no such rule w/ the U.I.L., or any other league body that might have anything to do w/ this game (nor is it anywhere in the NFHS rules, obviously).

Yesterday, the official who made the "ruling" tracked down a phone number for one of our team organization's board members and telephoned to say that he was wrong. He apologized for getting it wrong.

I was already in contact before that w/ the U.I.L. rules interpreter and hope to still get something in writing to keep on hand to avoid any such "phantom ruling" in the future...

Thanks again for all the quick input & confirmation.

Lkstr

[Adam]

Thanks for the follow up. Give him credit for owning up to his mistake.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Thanks for the follow up. Give him credit for owning up to his mistake.

Half credit. Cockamamie mistake.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Half credit. Cockamamie mistake.

Good point. I'd still like to know from which orifice this ruling was pulled.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

True, but the only other one that observes the Sabbath on Saturday I'm aware of is Seventh Day Adventist.

I had a h.s. teammate that was a practicing SDA. He missed the entire first half of our team's championship game my senior year.

We made a nice comeback in the 2nd half when he arrived, but, too little too late.

We lost.

I have no hostility towards SDAs.