20-Second I.O.T. for Blood?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

When a player is injured, an official should direct the timekeeper to start the 20-second clock for the interval of time needed for a substitution.

Does an official do the same if a player is bleeding (but not injured)?

Is bleeding not an injury?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

If not, it is the direct result of an injury.

[bainsey]

I'm questioning a RefSchool ruling.

Rule 3-3-7 says nothing about the 20-second I.O.T. I suppose bleeding is an injury, but getting someone else's blood on your uni isn't, and you're still coming out nonetheless.

This is all about the I.O.T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm questioning a RefSchool ruling.

Rule 3-3-7 says nothing about the 20-second I.O.T. I suppose bleeding is an injury, but getting someone else's blood on your uni isn't, and you're still coming out nonetheless.

This is all about the I.O.T.

Did you read the new case book plays? Or the old ones?

[bainsey]

Couldn't find anything in the case book, JR, but upon further review, 2-12-5 clearly says the timer will sound a warning signal five seconds into the 20-second interval used when "a player [is] directed to leave the game."

The RefSchool question that spawned this thread reads:

"B-1 is directed to the bench because of blood on his/her uniform.
The official directs the timer to start the 20-second clock to replace B-1. Is the official correct?"

I had YES. RefSchool says NO, citing 2-12-5 and 10-5-3, the latter which has nothing to do with the question.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Couldn't find anything in the case book, JR, but upon further review, 2-12-5 clearly says the timer will sound a warning signal five seconds into the 20-second interval used when "a player [is] directed to leave the game."

The RefSchool question that spawned this thread reads:

"B-1 is directed to the bench because of blood on his/her uniform.
The official directs the timer to start the 20-second clock to replace B-1. Is the official correct?"

I had YES. RefSchool says NO, citing 2-12-5 and 10-5-3, the latter which has nothing to do with the question.

In citing 2-12-5, you left out "except as in 3-3-6" which is in the NOTE.

There are 3 new case plays this year under 3.3.6.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

In citing 2-12-5, you left out "except as in 3-3-6" which is in the NOTE.

True, sir, but not applicable to the question. Nowhere in the question did it mention the coach requesting a time out, and the case plays in 3.3.6 regard injury, not blood on a uniform.

In any event, I checked with a high-ranking interpreter that assists with RefSchool, and according to him, the answer is indeed YES. The software is a fantastic tool, but like us, it has a few glitches.

(I think I set someone up for the overhead smash with "fantastic tool.")

[Scrapper1]

I think the answer is NO because the coach can elect to use a time-out to fix the blood situation.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I think the answer is NO because the coach can elect to use a time-out to fix the blood situation.

Agree

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by scrapper1

i think the answer is no because the coach can elect to use a time-out to fix the blood situation.

+1

[Ed Maeder]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I think the answer is NO because the coach can elect to use a time-out to fix the blood situation.

The request for the time out must precede the starting of the 20 second interval. If not they must replace the player.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

Some would say No, but is sign of a foul!!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Is bleeding not an injury?

Bleeding may be an injury, but blood on a uniform, especially blood from another player, certainly is not, but it's still treated like an injury, the player is directed to leave the game.

[bainsey]

One of the things I asked my board's interpreter is whether we should or shouldn't ask the coach if he wants a time out, when presented with a bleeding player. According to him, it's neither forbidden nor mandatory.

Still, it sounds like a pretty good idea to me, depending on the knowledge of the coach.

[Joel Poli]

The original question had blood on the uniform, it has nothing to do w/ an injury. how do we know that the blood came from the player in question? no TO needed, No 20 sec. IOT needed, just need to change the shirt, make # correction in the scorebook if needed and get the player back in the game (NFHS casebook play 3.3.7 sit A). answer is no.