Certified vs. non-certified

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There are far too many jobs that are done in running any athletic event to certify each of the positions.

As long as the hot dog concession vendor is certified, then I'm satisfied. Everyone else? Who cares? No other job is as important as getting a really good hot dog after the game.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

As long as the hot dog concession vendor is certified, then I'm satisfied. Everyone else? Who cares? No other job is as important as getting a really good hot dog after the game.

In other words, as long as they have Food Handler Credentials, you're good?

[just another ref]

In theory, you could demand that only those certified in cleaning toilets be allowed to do so, but when you're sitting there I think it would be difficult to tell the difference.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In theory, you could demand that only those certified in cleaning toilets be allowed to do so, but when you're sitting there I think it would be difficult to tell the difference.

Nice!

PS - Thanks Billy, I'll be singing that jingle all day now.......

[Adam]

I see no reason to have them certified to work a volunteer position. I believe the area you're talking about, where crews are certified through the local officials' association, pays the table crews a modest fee.

I have yet to have a problem with table crew that isn't solved by a simple pregame reminding them when to buzz on subs (ie, not when the coach yells "sub") and the proper timing for buzzers.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I see no reason to have them certified to work a volunteer position. I believe the area you're talking about, where crews are certified through the local officials' association, pays the table crews a modest fee.

I have yet to have a problem with table crew that isn't solved by a simple pregame reminding them when to buzz on subs (ie, not when the coach yells "sub") and the proper timing for buzzers.

Snaq, that's what I am meaning is that everyone that works the table is paid, not volunteer. From what I've experienced working the 3A/4A Regionals, a paid crew takes their duties/responsibilities more seriously than just a random person that volunteers.

Yes I volunteer myself, but I do it as a support of my alma mater & for the love of the game & to help better the game (if this last part makes any sense).

The regular person that does the Varsity games only gets paid $35 a night to do only 2 games ($17.50 a game) non-certified. During 3A/4A Regionals, I was getting paid a rate of $10 a game, also non-certified. There are scheduled 9 home games with both Varsities playing for 2010-2011. Using this formula, the regular person will be getting $315 minus any playoff games. If was to use the $10 a game formula, would be getting $180.

Now the question is, in those areas where the table is also certified, how much is the per game rate? Or if becomes certified, how much per game should a person working table get?

For certification purposes, the only ones I see who should be certified are the scorer (official book), timer/scoreboard, & shot clock (for those states that use it). As I've seen it, the visitors' scorebook is there just as a reference tool.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Now the question is, in those areas where the table is also certified, how much is the per game rate? Or if becomes certified, how much per game should a person working table get?

Have you seen anyone on here post that the table crews in their state is certified? No.

One poster posts that his state has an association for scorers and timers. That's it.

Most crews are volunteers. Schools can't afford it. They don't pay anyone. It doesn't exist. Nobody is certified. Don't you get it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Snaq, that's what I am meaning is that everyone that works the table is paid, not volunteer. From what I've experienced working the 3A/4A Regionals, a paid crew takes their duties/responsibilities more seriously than just a random person that volunteers.

From what I've seen at the high school varsity level and below, I have no way of knowing which crews get a small payment and which ones don't. Virtually every crew I've seen at the high school level is doing a good job.

There's no problem that needs fixing here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Now the question is, in those areas where the table is also certified, how much is the per game rate? Or if becomes certified, how much per game should a person working table get?

How long could it possibly take to become "certified" to be a clock operator. A person of reasonable intelligence who has never even been to a game could be taught to do a credible job of this in a matter of minutes.

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