Time out

[GoodwillRef]

We need to use commonsense...maybe look at the coach and ask him do you want a timeout now? We don't need to be a harda$$!

[BktBallRef]

If he signals and says timeout, I don't think it's being a harda$$.

He's got a timeout in my game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We need to use commonsense...maybe look at the coach and ask him do you want a timeout now? We don't need to be a harda$$!

It's a case of following the rules or making up your own. And POE #1 in this year's NFHS rule book tells you exactly what the FED thinks of officials that ignore rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

This year's NFHS rule book tells you exactly what the FED thinks of officials that ignore rules.

Hanged, drawn and quartered?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

We need to use commonsense...maybe look at the coach and ask him do you want a timeout now? We don't need to be a harda$$!

I like where you are going with this. I know that in my games if I am the closest officials I am in the habit of asking the coach "Full or 30" before granting the T/O. Originally, I did it to save the hassle of asking the coach WHILE everyone was heading to the bench, but did find it kept me out of situations where the coach wasn't asking for a T/O but was calling a play that sounded similar.
On a different, yet on topic note, I was talking to an officiating pal of mine and they reminded me of a game where we had a situation similar to the OP. When I asked the coach if they wanted a full or 30 she said she "Actually I want a full time out once we get the ball past half court. Assuming of course my team can GET IT past half court".. They did and she did. Pretty funny

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I know that in my games if I am the closest officials I am in the habit of asking the coach "Full or 30" before granting the T/O. Originally, I did it to save the hassle of asking the coach WHILE everyone was heading to the bench, but did find it kept me out of situations where the coach wasn't asking for a T/O but was calling a play that sounded similar.

Pretty funny

It's also pretty funny that you choose to make up your own rules instead of just following the ones we already have. Why do you think the FED put case book play 5.8.3E(b) in? So you could ignore it?
The proper procedure is to ask "full or 30" after granting a TO. If you find yourself in the situation where the coach wasn't asking for a TO, just follow the rules already cited in this thread.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's also pretty funny that you choose to make up your own rules instead of just following the ones we already have. Why do you think the FED put case book play 5.8.3E(b) in? So you could ignore it?
The proper procedure is to ask "full or 30" after granting a TO. If you find yourself in the situation where the coach wasn't asking for a TO, just follow the rules already cited in this thread.

But does it say you CAN'T ask them before hand? If you already know before hand why should you ask AFTER you grant them the time out? This, along with other interpretations, imo, can fall under the old axiom "There are those who feel that if the Book doesn't say you can than you can't and those who feel that if the Book DOESN'T say you can't then you can." (Its an axiom that is why a double negative is allowed!)

[constable]

This discussion is just about as silly as the blarge thread.

A coach signals and/or asks for a time out, if they are eligible to request it I will grant it at that time.

We should never grant requests in the future " time out on a make" or "time out once we gain the front court"

I had a game tonight where I was with a younger official in a Girls varsity game and my partner granted the latter. I spoke with him and advised him time outs should never be granted in the future.

If coach is asking, grant the request if they can legally request a TO.

[Pantherdreams]

Not to get all metric on anyone, but I'm glad this isn't a problem in FIBA.

Timeouts go to the table, and can only be awarded on deadballs by the table. Keeps things simple for those simple officials like me, and simpler coaches.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Not to get all metric on anyone, but I'm glad this isn't a problem in FIBA.

Timeouts go to the table, and can only be awarded on deadballs by the table. Keeps things simple for those simple officials like me, and simpler coaches.

In reality, I don't see granting coaches the ability to request timeouts as big of a deal as we sometimes make it out to be. Not enough so that requests have to go through the table and only during dead ball . Are there times when the closest official can not see or hear a coach requesting a timeout? Sure, but there is almost always an official either close enough grant the request or one who should be opposite table side that should be able to pick up a coach requesting one. This and appropriate game awareness usually makes this a non-issue.