Blarge administration

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Even tagging the wrong player with the foul?

We tag the wrong player with a foul every time we report both a block and a PC foul. Can't be both, so one of them is wrong.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

We tag the wrong player with a foul every time we report both a block and a PC foul. Can't be both, so one of them is wrong.

This is why you do everything in your power to not have this happen.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is why you do everything in your power to not have this happen.

Peace

I agree 100%...and I have never had one yet. I had a close call last season as I was L and a secondary defender stepped under an airborne shooter - but I was soooo quick going to the table that my C never had a chance to signal PC like he was going to!

My post was just negating the argument of possibly tagging the wrong player for the foul. That argument doesn't hold water in this discussion.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is why you do everything in your power to not have this happen.

Agreed

Like talk it over with your partner and decide on one call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Agreed

Like talk it over with your partner and decide on one call.

I guess, but a lot of time you do not have to have any words said. Much of the time there is a recognition of who has the call and that person goes with it. The other official drops out and we talk about it later in the locker room.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

i guess, but a lot of time you do not have to have any words said. Much of the time there is a recognition of who has the call and that person goes with it. The other official drops out and we talk about it later in the locker room.

Peace

+1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

+1

How can you say +1 when you don't agree with that philosophically?

Jeff said "much of the time". Your philosophy as in "talk it over with your parner and decide on one call' refers to ALL of the time. You're saying there should NEVER be a blarge. Everybody else is saying that there SHOULDN'T be a blarge, but if there IS a blarge, call it by the ruleset that you are using.

Trying to say that a very specific rule or case play is wrong or isn't applicable is patently ridiculous imo. Don't let that stop you though.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How can you say +1 when you don't agree with that philosophically?

Jeff said "much of the time". Your philosophy as in "talk it over with your parner and decide on one call' refers to ALL of the time. You're saying there should NEVER be a blarge. Everybody else is saying that there SHOULDN'T be a blarge, but if there IS a blarge, call it by the ruleset that you are using.

Trying to say that a very specific rule or case play is wrong or isn't applicable is patently ridiculous imo. Don't let that stop you though.

I say communicate with your partner and use one call. I agree with Jeff when he says that communication in this situation often does not require words, especially between veteran officials who have worked together.

The part that is patently ridiculous to me is to reference this one case play and describe it as specific.

"One official calls...........the other official calls..........."

When is call a call? The word call is not defined. I say a foul has not been called until it is reported to the table.

Most seem to think that when conflicting preliminary signals are given, you are stuck with both calls.

WHY???

Nothing that resembles that is written anywhere.

This even opens up the question, when is a signal a signal? Did the one official's hand actually touch the back of his head?
The other guy never actually touched his hips, but he was obviously poised to do so. How much is too much. This, like many other things which happen on the court cannot be absolutely covered by the written word.
I have been guilty in the past of anticipating one thing, starting the wrong signal, then changing to the (perceived) correct one. A mistake? Certainly.
Forbidden by rule? Certainly not.

My partner and I have a double whistle. He correctly sees a charging foul. I am fooled and make the block signal, then realize before I am finished blowing the whistle that he is right. You think I'm gonna report my foul? Not in this lifetime.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Camron,

Wrong player? You are going to tag both players with a foul...that is the alternative!

Originally Posted by rockyroad

We tag the wrong player with a foul every time we report both a block and a PC foul. Can't be both, so one of them is wrong.

Compare the two situations....

One person really deserved the foul but you tag both....1 incorect...1 correct. It more-or-less comes out as a do-over except a couple fouls are put in the book.

One person really deserved the foul but you tag one....you have about a 50% chance of actually getting it right but if you don't you double penalize the one that actually gets the foul....they get the foul and the other player does not. Now you have a 2 foul differential in the books vs. what should have been....2 incorrect.

Given that these are very infrequent, I'd rather be half right every time than incorrectly and doubly penalize one team half the time.