Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 693104)

I usually yell "SUB".

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 693077)

I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 693081)

This is a game management issue. I like to tell the coaches during our meet and greet, "Have your players ready at the table. I don't want an ongoing parade." I don't have a set rule, but put a stop to it fast.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 693133)

Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 693124)

You are setting yourself up for failure by that stinkin thinkin. If you already think you are going to kick a call then you already have!!:p The key to YOUR scenario is to not kick a call!;)
I HAVE used those lines, wasving the 5th sub and saying "Come on, join the party" is my favorite, but as stated, it depends on audience and situation. I agree there are those that can and those that CAN'T get away with it. I have a partner who is a great friend but if he tried something like that, all hell would break loose. Conversely, he can do things and get away with that I can't. That's why boards like this are good for all b/c different people have different personalities.

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692974)

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Everything I am reading/understanding of the horn sounding is a courtesy, not required, for notifying of subs at the table.

Unless there is something I missed of course.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692978)

From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul.

Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692979)

That is the only case I have noticed that mentions the sounding of the horn.

I am meaning all times though, not just specific times.

The text you quoted, should say: "The scorer shall not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul." The only time the horn/signal should sound in this situation is in case of a question or error, as long as there is sufficent evidence to do so.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692985)

I was trying to find a NFHS reference to a required procedure of sounding a horn to signal for substitutions. I didn't spend to much time looking, so I might have missed something, but I was surprised that the one and only reference I found was in the NFHS Instructions To Scorers. I could find no other reference in the rulebook or casebook. I was also surprised that it is a negative reference, that is, "should not signal". I would have thought that the NFHS would have a procedure as to when to properly signal for a substitution. I'm sure that I have overlooked something in my haste to quickly come up with an answer.

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692974)

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F. The official beckoning the substitutes should:
1. Ensure that it is appropriate to beckon substitutes (i.e., the ball is not
live, fellow official needs to report a foul).
2. Sound his/her whistle, raise an open hand.
3. Motion for the substitutes to enter the court.
4. Keep the other hand raised (stop-clock signal) until the substitution(s)
is completed and play may begin.

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G. The official beckoning the substitutes should:
1. Ensure that it is appropriate to beckon substitutes (i.e., the ball is not
live, fellow official needs to report a foul).
2. Sound his/her whistle, raise an open hand.
3. Motion for the substitutes to enter the court.
4. Keep the other hand raised (stop-clock signal) until the substitution(s)
is completed and play may begin.

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 692993)

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Come on Tom, we all know at the HS level that table crew compentency varies GREATLY.

It's pretty simple for me:

• Table hits horns, I use raised hand but no whistle from me
• Table doesn't hit horn and I have eye contact with my partner I use voice and raised hand
• Table doesn't hit horn and I DON'T have eye contact with my partner then I use whistle and raised hand

I really don't see what's the big deal though.
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I think this is a good way of doing it.

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It ain't a big deal. You do what your local association tells you to do. That includes one hand vs. two hand reporting also. And if you're not sure, you ask.
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...and they will be asking me.

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 693077)

Shifting gears slightly, how many (if any) single subs (one after the other) will you allow to come to the table and into the game during a dead ball before you make them wait? I'm talking about a coach sending A1, then the other coach B1, then A2, then B2 OR A1, A2, A3....

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 693144)

Did either of you bother to read 3-3-1d?"If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is
entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer shall use a sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the
clock is stopped."

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 693085)

More tolerant than I used to be, although I'll whistle the subsequent subs in well before they reach the table to minimize the delay.

Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 693165)

At which point I would get a new scorer as I was taught not to have the scorer yell at me

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 693133)

Isn't that what Ensign Charles Parker used to yell to Lieutenant Commander Quinton McHale?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 693147)

Your brethren up North have agreed to teach to blow the whistle when bringing in subs just as stated in the NFHS manual. It would be appreciated if you would teach it that way in the South too, so that we are all on the same page when it comes time to work together at the State Tournament.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 693122)

As a general rule, I would agree wiseazz responses, and perhaps profanity, should definitely be avoided. However, a lot depends on the specific official, and the "audience". There are a few officials that can get away with those types of responses, in limited situations.