Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 692881)

As a member of the Board for the association up North, I'll contribute my feelings.

1. NEVER use two-hand reporting in a HS game. The NFHS manual specifies "with a one-handed signal." So follow the HS mechanics or don't work that level of ball. It comes off as big-timing to use two hands for reporting numbers.

2. I ALWAYS sound the whistle when bringing in subs. Why? Because the NFHS Officials Manual says to do so. It's on pages 41 (F2) and 78 (G2), for 2-man and 3-man mechanics. There is no doubt how the NFHS wants this done.

Note:
The table crew in my area is not part of the officials association and so does not have meetings or instruction other than from us just prior to the games. We get whomever the school provides. That is a difference between here and Vegas.

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692974)

Everything I am reading/understanding of the horn sounding is a courtesy, not required, for notifying of subs at the table.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692978)

(Apologies to William Jefferson Clinton)



From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul.

Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692978)

(Apologies to William Jefferson Clinton)



From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul.

Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692978)

Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 692982)

Whatinthehell else could you expect the scorer to do?:confused:

Use little flags to semaphore in a sub?

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692974)

Everything I am reading/understanding of the horn sounding is a courtesy, not required, for notifying of subs at the table.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 692978)

From NFHS Instructions To Scorers: The scorer should not signal after the free thrower or thrower has been handed the ball or the ball is at the disposal of such player or team or until the official has completed reporting a foul. Does the word, "signal", refer to sounding the horn?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 692982)

Whatinthehell else could you expect the scorer to do?

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 692984)

Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 692981)

In those same instructions it says, for scorer's equipment: "Scorebook, pencils, possession arrow & signaling device with sound
different from that of the timer."

How often is it where the scorer has a seperate signaling device?

Technically, according to the rules/regulations, it is the scorer that signals subs, not the timer. Yet how can that be done if the scorer does not have a separate signaling device?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 692988)

Just call 9-1-1.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 692988)

Next time a scorer tries to pull that crap on you, tell him to piss off and get his own signalling device just like the rules tell him to.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 692921)

Come on Tom, we all know at the HS level that table crew compentency varies GREATLY.

It's pretty simple for me:

• Table hits horns, I use raised hand but no whistle from me
• Table doesn't hit horn and I have eye contact with my partner I use voice and raised hand
• Table doesn't hit horn and I DON'T have eye contact with my partner then I use whistle and raised hand

I really don't see what's the big deal though.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 692926)

It ain't a big deal. You do what your local association tells you to do. That includes one hand vs. two hand reporting also. And if you're not sure, you ask.

Originally Posted by tref (Post 692814)

I bring subs with a whistle. Sometimes in a crowded, loud gym we get distracted (coaches, hot moms, etc) during dead balls. I think the whistle catches everyones attention & prevents the ball from being inbounded with too many players on the court.

Two handed reporting in HS? I dont, some say its disrespecting the HS game by doing so...

Originally Posted by RefItUp (Post 692996)

This is a good point; I only blow the whistle if I feel my partner didn't see the subs. However, we talk about this during our pregame meeting. Sometimes we have tableside get the sub or others feel more comfortable having the center grab the subs. Obviously thats in 3 man mechanics.

Two man the trail will have to get the subs.

Another big thing, something that I'm picky about, is making eye contact before putting the ball into play. I will stand there and wait until all my partners have signaled to me someway or another.

Just my two cents!