Running clock & thoughts from officials

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Like I stated before, I am asking so that I can have a better understanding. I'm trying to get information from the local association as well when the season gets closer I will be asking the School AD about it.

Yes, you've asked, it's been answered and you continued to ask. Why persist? What is it that you still don't understand?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Yes, you've asked, it's been answered and you continued to ask. Why persist? What is it that you still don't understand?

Exactly. Plus, every state / league is slighlty different, so no one here (unless they are from WA *and* have insight beyond what is apparently posted) will be able to give any specific guidance.

[rockyroad]

In Washington, the running clock will only be used in the second half, will go into effect when the score differential is 40 or more points, and once started will not be changed back. The only time the clock stops is on time-outs, between third and fourth quarter, during free throws, or if there is an injury.

It really is that simple.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The only time the clock stops is on time-outs, between third and fourth quarter, during free throws, or if there is an injury.

It really is that simple.

Or is it? When does it stop "during free throws"? When you hand the shooter the ball? When you report to the table? When the whistle is blown?

If it is the latter, the clock operator must know if there will be FTs or not in order to know whether the clock will stop or not. At a minimum, they must wait until the official indicates who the foul is on and if there will be FTs.

Sure, it is not really that big of a deal, but it isn't "that simple".

[zm1283]

Why stop it during free throws? Kind of defeats the purpose of the turbo clock. Ours runs if there is a 30 point lead in the 4th quarter and goes back to the regular clock if the lead goes under 30. It only stops for timeouts or injuries.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Why stop it during free throws? Kind of defeats the purpose of the turbo clock. Ours runs if there is a 30 point lead in the 4th quarter and goes back to the regular clock if the lead goes under 30. It only stops for timeouts or injuries.

What would happen then if those free throws are being taken with less than 30 seconds left & the point differential is 1-2 points?

There's all sorts of questions that can be asked about the use of a running clock. Depending on the rules being used, that is.

Different State Associations, rec organizations, etc. have different rules/regulations so what may be good for the goose, isn't for the gander.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chseagle

What would happen then if those free throws are being taken with less than 30 seconds left & the point differential is 1-2 points?

There's all sorts of questions that can be asked about the use of a running clock. Depending on the rules being used, that is.

Different State Associations, rec organizations, etc. have different rules/regulations so what may be good for the goose, isn't for the gander.

This is why I think these rules are unnecessary in basketball. The clock runs most of the time anyway. I also doubt that if someone has a 30 point lead in a basketball game, they are going to come back that quickly with a running clock. Maybe in a stop clock game, but not likely with such a wide lead. And if that is possible the leading team is stupid as heck to let it happen.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Why stop it during free throws? Kind of defeats the purpose of the turbo clock. Ours runs if there is a 30 point lead in the 4th quarter and goes back to the regular clock if the lead goes under 30. It only stops for timeouts or injuries.

Because their local rule sez so.......

It don't have to make sense. It just is.

They make 'em; we follow 'em...shrug.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or is it? When does it stop "during free throws"? When you hand the shooter the ball? When you report to the table? When the whistle is blown?

If it is the latter, the clock operator must know if there will be FTs or not in order to know whether the clock will stop or not. At a minimum, they must wait until the official indicates who the foul is on and if there will be FTs.

Sure, it is not really that big of a deal, but it isn't "that simple".

No, it really is that simple. Even for those people who try to overanalyze everything.

At the point the official reports a foul to the table and indicates free throws will be attempted, the clock stops.

As to why they added that rule - I have no idea. As the Light Brigade once learned, "Ours is not to wonder why..."

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

No, it really is that simple. Even for those people who try to overanalyze everything.

At the point the official reports a foul to the table and indicates free throws will be attempted, the clock stops.

As to why they added that rule - I have no idea. As the Light Brigade once learned, "Ours is not to wonder why..."

And that addition makes it simple. Without that clarification, there were too many options.

Personally, I'd prefer to see it run through the FTs....FTs sometimes make up the largest component of stop-clock time. Simple violations (OOB, traveling, etc.) just don't take that much time.

And yes, I thoroughly analyze everything. That is why I rarely mess up a rule on the court. On more than a few occasions, I have had partners who think they are too good to study the rules think I've missed something and make an AT&T call in front of me....only to be the wrong call (not judgement, but simply the wrong call). There is little I dislike more than a hot-shot referee that makes up their own rules because they don't know the real ones.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And yes, I thoroughly analyze everything. That is why I rarely mess up a rule on the court. On more than a few occasions, I have had partners who think they are too good to study the rules think I've missed something and make an AT&T call in front of me....only to be the wrong call (not judgement, but simply the wrong call). There is little I dislike more than a hot-shot referee that makes up their own rules because they don't know the real ones.

Interesting.

For the record, the analyze comment was not directed at you.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

In Washington, the running clock will only be used in the second half, will go into effect when the score differential is 40 or more points, and once started will not be changed back. The only time the clock stops is on time-outs, between third and fourth quarter, during free throws, or if there is an injury.

It really is that simple.

Thanks for the clarifications, I'm trying to find contact information for the local board/association &, when I do, asking if I can attend a meeting before the season starts. This way I have a pool of experts I can ask in person beforehand, instead of at the last second in the middle of a game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Thanks for the clarifications, I'm trying to find contact information for the local board/association &, when I do, asking if I can attend a meeting before the season starts. This way I have a pool of experts I can ask in person beforehand, instead of at the last second in the middle of a game.

Oh, they're just going to LOVE you!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Oh, they're just going to LOVE you!

Reminds me of the scorer who tries to tell me that I can't whistle in a sub until he's squatting on the X and has formally reported to him and the horn's blown. My first thought is, "Yeah, and I can replace you" as I continue to do exactly what I always do.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Reminds me of the scorer who tries to tell me that I can't whistle in a sub until he's squatting on the X and has formally reported to him and the horn's blown. My first thought is, "Yeah, and I can replace you" as I continue to do exactly what I always do.

Well, you and "the Eagle" are just not going to be able to coexist!